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dman357
03-13-2006, 12:55 PM
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Just finished the book about anchorage's serial killer from about 1970 to 1982ish. Has anyone else read it?

It doesn't really talk about the cabin out near the glacier, but only makes a few references to "A cabin in Knik". This guy had bodies all over the south central Alaska.

samwe
03-13-2006, 12:58 PM
Does it mention a trooper named Felberg?

Maddening
03-13-2006, 01:08 PM
You read the book so you know, but there are still some unfound bodies out there. Some of them never found that are buried around Knik River area too I think? Freaky stuff. :der:

dman357
03-13-2006, 01:12 PM
Does it mention a trooper named Felberg?

I don't think so. There was quite a few names mentioned, but that doesn't ring a bell.

stretch
03-13-2006, 01:16 PM
We were just talking about his book in my Criminal Justice class, havent read it though...

BigDan
03-13-2006, 01:19 PM
It talks about a hunting pole tent used to dry hanging meat, but you're right. It NEVER mentions a cabin in Knik.

07crawlinJK
03-13-2006, 01:23 PM
it mentions the cabin and how he would tie victoms to a pull in its basement and stuff some where i seen a gps loc for it not in the book and
it is now a public use cabin

dman357
03-13-2006, 01:23 PM
You read the book so you know, but there are still some unfound bodies out there. Some of them buried around Knik River area too I think? Freaky stuff. :der:

Yep,
Here's the ones that they found/recovered the bodies.

All info taken from the book (no copyright infringement)

Joanna Messina, found 8 July 1980, gravel pit near Seward
"Eklutna Annie", found 17 July 1980, at Eklutna Lake Road
Sherry Morrow, found 12 Sept 1982, at Knik River
Paula Goulding, found 2 Sept 1983, at Knik River
Sue Luna, found 24 Apr 1984, at Old Knik River bridge parking lot
Malai Larsen, found 24 Apr 1984, at Old Knik River bridge parking lot
Delynn Frey, found 25 Apr 1984, at Summit Lake
Angela Feddern, found 26 Apr 1984, at Figure Eight Lake.
Teresa Watson, found 26 Apr 1984, at Scenic Lake
Tamara Pederson, found 29 Apr 1984, at the Knik River
Lisa Futrell, found 9 May 1984, at the old Knik River River Bridge gravel pit.

1 body he admitted to throwing in the river near the new highway where the railroad tracks cross over Knik. Body never found.

Accounted for 11 victims, Thought to have kill about 23.

stretch
03-13-2006, 01:26 PM
How long is the book? Is it pretty good? Is there a movie hehe

dman357
03-13-2006, 01:30 PM
346 pages.

Good book. I'm a slow reader and but I couldn't put it down. Read it in 2 days.

rusty cj
03-13-2006, 01:54 PM
is he still alive?

Josh
03-13-2006, 02:04 PM
yeah, i think hes in jail down in seward.

I thought some one owned the butcher baker cabin? I remeber there was talk about some AF guys were given the deed or somthing?

BigDan
03-13-2006, 02:16 PM
it mentions the cabin and how he would tie victoms to a pull in its basement and stuff some where i seen a gps loc for it not in the book and
it is now a public use cabin


There is NO MENTION of a cabin at Knik in that book! The cabin people call the butcher baker cabin doesn't even have a basement. There is no record of him owning a cabin. Anywhere. He stole from cabins in remote locations, and tied victims to a pole in the basement of his house in Anchorage.

07crawlinJK
03-13-2006, 02:23 PM
oh ok been a long time sence I read the book

BigDan
03-13-2006, 02:28 PM
Not trying to be a poop head about this, but I am curious how the stigma got attatched to that cabin. I agree that it is logical to dig for bodies around the area cabins out there. That makes perfect sense. But in the markings on the map, no bodies were found near them. So did people see the holes and assume that he used that cabin? Or is there proof that this author overlooked somewhere?

It would be cool to fix that cabin up and have it at the ready for anyone in trouble out there. But it will never happen because of the "butcher baker" stigma that is attatched to it. If it's justified so be it. If not then it's a shame.

07crawlinJK
03-13-2006, 02:32 PM
i would help in fixing it up

07crawlinJK
03-13-2006, 02:39 PM
has for if he is still in jail and alive is is a Quote from a artical about him from
http://www.explorenorth.com/library/weekly/aa021100a.htm

On February 27, 1984, Superior Court Judge Ralph E. Moody sentenced Hansen to 461 years plus life, without chance of parole. He was initially sent to the maximum security facility at Lewisburg, PA, but in 1988 he was returned to Alaska. He became one of the first prisoners in the new Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward, where he remains today.

dman357
03-13-2006, 02:54 PM
The article from the link above.

Robert Hansen
A Serial Killer in Alaska
by Murray Lundberg
To big game hunter Robert Hansen, Alaska was paradise. But for his victims, it was a terrifying wilderness where no one could hear their screams.
The cover summary of Bernard DuClos' book on Hansen, Fair Game, is much more than just sensationalism. It's a pretty accurate summary of the period from 1971 to 1983, when Hansen stalked the sleazy parts of Anchorage looking for victims. He is known to have killed at least 17 young women, although only 12 bodies were ever found. A recent television report, though, says the number was 37, and an FBI spokesman commented that Hansen could actually be one of the country's worst killers. He also admitted to about 30 rapes in the same period, yet never showed any sign of remorse for any of his crimes.

This case is significant for two reasons. It is the only known killing spree in which many of the women were apparently flown into the wilderness, released and then hunted down. It also set a legal precedent in 1983 when psychological profiling was used as the main basis for issuing search warrants on Hansen's property.

The information in this article has been extracted from DuClos' 284-page book, Fair Game. Now out of print, it does an excellent job of identifying and removing stereotypes, portraying prostitutes, police officers, judges and priests as people who sometimes make mistakes, and sometimes do what is right even when they put themselves at risk.

DuClos tells an important story that needs to kept in mind whenever you're tempted to say about another person "Oh, he's actually a pretty good guy", when evidence is to the contrary. Bob Hansen's killing spree continued for at least 12 years because, instead of people admitting that he was a dangerous sociopath, he was time and time again labelled as an upstanding family man.

Robert Christian Hansen was born on February 15, 1939, in Esterville, Iowa, to a Danish immigrant baker and his wife. His childhood was not easy, as his father was very strict, and Robert worked long hours in their bakery. As well as being of slight build, Robert had acne so bad that he almost never socialized, and is remembered as a "loner". Although he was left-handed, Robert was forced to use his right hand, and he says the resulting stress made a stuttering problem even worse.

On December 7, 1960, the first major event occurred that would fit Hansen into the psychological profile of a developing serial killer. As retribution for perceived abuses by the people of Pocahantas, Iowa, he forced a 16-year-old employee at the bakery to help him burn down the school bus garage. Unfortunately, the teen had morals, though, and turned himself and Hansen in. Hansen was sentenced to 3 years in prison, and his wife of only 6 months divorced him. He served only 20 months of that sentence - he was paroled despite being assessed as having an "infantile personality" which made him obsess about getting even with people.

Within a few months of being released, Hansen was married again. He also started stealing just for the thrill of doing it. Although he was caught stealing several times, no charges were ever laid. In 1967, the Hansens decided it was time for a new start, and left for Alaska.

In the mountains around Anchorage, Hansen honed his skills as a hunter, and in 1969, 1970 and 1971, had 4 animals entered into the Pope & Young record book. In about 1971, though, he discovered that another type of hunting satisfied him more.

Anchorage at the time had an extremely rough "tenderloin" district. Largely run by Seattle Mafia boss Frank Colacurio, it was a wide-open district centered on Fourth Avenue, where anything went. Young women were lured there by promises of making huge wages 'dancing' in clubs with names like Wild Cherry, Arctic Fox, Booby Trap and the Great Alaskan Bush Company (which is still in operation, though in a different location). As the population and disposable income skyrocketed in Anchorage during the oil boom, the bigger clubs were skimming off $50-100,000 a month in cash. Between the clubs were peep shows, and magazine stands featuring the worst kind of child pornography. Also part of that world was violence - from beatings and armed robberies to firebombs and murders, police were kept busy. Between 1979 and 1983, police responded 207 times to disturbances at the Booby Trap alone.

In this world, Bob Hansen found all the victims he could want - women who, for $300, would go anywhere with him. From his looks, women apparently felt they had no reason to fear him; as one rape victim reported, "He sort of looked like the perfect dork." Once they got in his truck or car, though, the psychopath appeared, and the number of victims accumulated rapidly over the years. Most of the rapes were never reported, and even when Hansen was positively identified, his respectable facade always won over the prostitute's version of the story. In the vastness of Alaska, there were never any witnesses to the murders. In 1980, he shot the dog of a woman he had murdered, so that the dog wouldn't lead anybody to her shallow grave.

In 1977, the courts blew a chance to get Hansen off the street for a few years. He had stolen a chain saw, and although psychiatric reports made it clear that he was a danger to society, he served only 1 year of a 5-year sentence. He was ordered to stay on a lithium program to control mood swings from a diagnosed bipolar effective disorder, but that order was never enforced, either in prison or after his release. Just a few weeks after his early release, he killed again.

As the body count climbed, his respectable look continued to build. In January 1981, he opened a bakery at 9th and Ingra, using $13,000 from the insurance settlement of a faked burglary of his home. When the fraud was discovered, he claimed that all the 'stolen' wildlife trophies were later mysteriously found in his back yard, and he had just forgotten to tell his insurance company.

In January 1982, he bought Piper Super Cub N3089Z - although he never got a pilot's license, it became one of the main tools in his killing spree. He would pick up a woman on Fourth Avenue, handcuff her or tie her up at gunpoint, and fly her out to the Knik River. After landing on a remote sandbar, the details can only be guessed at, but when Hansen headed back to Merrill Field, he never had passengers.

Like many serial killers, Hansen was very methodical. On his aviation chart, he marked many of the locations where he buried his victims. The Knik River was a favourite location - close to town yet remote, with hundreds of sandbars to land his plane on.

Hansen was a "trophy collector", another common attribute of serial killers. His den was loaded with mounts from his legitimate hunts, while his basement was the storage space for the trophies from his human victims. It was largely this trophy collection that resulted in his successful conviction - among the significant items, he had kept a fish necklace that had been custom-made for victim Andrea Altiery.

The turning point in the case occurred in September 1983 when one of Hansen's rape victims agreed to testify. The police hoped that by tying this case in with several others, they could put him away at least for a few years.

The investigation of the disappearing women, which had now brought Bob Hansen into sharp focus, was hampered by attitude problems in both the Anchorage Police Department (APD), and in the DA's office. When an APD officer took his information on the case to the State Troopers, he was bawled out for it. When the Troopers were trying to draw up documents for searches of Hansen's property, they were told by the DA's office that they had no time to do it - a personal favour brought the Assistant DA from Fairbanks down to do it.

On October 27, 1983, Hansen's cowardly life prowling the streets of Anchorage ended. Armed with several search warrants, police went through the Hansen family's house, cars and plane, vacuuming, photographing, sketching and seizing evidence. Robert Christian Hansen was arrested and charged with assault, kidnapping, weapons offenses, theft and insurance fraud. Bail was set at a half-million dollars.

Over the next few months, enough evidence had been assembled to charge Hansen with 4 murders. As part of a plea bargain, Hansen agreed to show police where the graves of the murdered women were. Only 11 were located though (one more was found later).

On February 27, 1984, Superior Court Judge Ralph E. Moody sentenced Hansen to 461 years plus life, without chance of parole. He was initially sent to the maximum security facility at Lewisburg, PA, but in 1988 he was returned to Alaska. He became one of the first prisoners in the new Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward, where he remains today.

Although the Pope & Young people initially stated that Hansen's crimes did not invalidate his bowhunting records, they have since removed his name from their record books. Bob's wife and 2 children tried to remain in Alaska, but after 2 years of having the children harassed at school, Mrs. Hansen filed for divorce and they moved to the Lower 48.

NewbieFJ60
03-13-2006, 03:17 PM
his former house is still on old harbour drive in muldoon ., my wife knows the current owners

Toyminator
03-13-2006, 03:26 PM
From this site: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/robert_hansen/6.html


"Whenever Hansen got a victim under his control, he would normally take her to his plane and fly them out to his remote cabin."


Doesn't prove anything, but apparently he did have a cabin somewhere.

BigDan
03-13-2006, 03:31 PM
The people that the friend of Kris Rick got the deed from for the cabin owned it all along, and could not keep it up because people kept vandalizing it.

I wonder where the cabin was that article was referring to. If he owned his own cabin I personally think that would have made it into the book, and been a major point of intrest in the story.

Toyminator
03-13-2006, 03:32 PM
And from here:
http://www.radford.edu/~maamodt/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Hansen,%20Robert%20-%20fall,%202005.pdf

"January 1982
Bought Piper Super Cub N3089Z- never got his pilot’s license though. This was the plane he used for transporting victims to his remote cabin on the Knik River."

dman357
03-13-2006, 03:32 PM
In the book, it talked about that point. Evidently he told the hookers that he had one, but when questioned hard, he didn't have one. definately an interesting point.

I'm going to have to get that other book. Anyone have it that I can borrow?

NewbieFJ60
03-13-2006, 03:33 PM
wonder where that plane is now

dstrbdxp-AK
03-13-2006, 03:38 PM
Guy I knew did a nickel there, said Hansen was the barber.

dman357
03-13-2006, 03:40 PM
Guy I knew did a nickel there, said Hansen was the barber.

Oh, that's smart of those guys. Give the mass murderer the sharp objects.........:Speach:

dstrbdxp-AK
03-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Oh, that's smart of those guys. Give the mass murderer the sharp objects.........:Speach:

Yeh I thought the same.

JeffJ
03-13-2006, 04:22 PM
We were researching serial killers on the web a year or so back looking for info on this very topic. Seems to be, according to some research, a positive correlation between serial killers and trophies hunters. Makes ya think don't it?

There is another cabin at Knik other that the three on Metal Creek trail. It is in the woods this side of Wolf Point but I can't think it would have been easy to get to from anywhere you can land a plane.

AKBearMoose
03-13-2006, 04:32 PM
Hansen Psych Eval (http://www.radford.edu/~maamodt/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Hansen,%20Robert%20-%20fall,%202005.pdf)

B1
03-13-2006, 04:34 PM
HA!!! give the serial killer some scissors. lol

Toy4Fun
03-13-2006, 09:53 PM
I have a friend who was a guard down there a while back. He said that Hansen used to studder when he got really upset. A female guard he was with called him Mr. Butcher and he started studdering, "m mm mmmy, nnaame i i is R R Robert Ha Han Hansen." My friend said that hansen was pretty red faced and mad.
I don't know how the cabin at Knick got his name attached to it, after Dan and I hiked up there and slid down, I borrowed the book and didn't see anything about the cabin. He only threatened to take women out to a cabin. The book makes you wonder how many more women he killed. So why doesn't our state have the death penalty?

stretch
03-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Where can I get this book???

dman357
03-13-2006, 10:01 PM
Tidal Wave
Barnes and Noble

Any book store

stretch
03-13-2006, 10:01 PM
How much?

dman357
03-13-2006, 10:04 PM
We were researching serial killers on the web a year or so back looking for info on this very topic. Seems to be, according to some research, a positive correlation between serial killers and trophies hunters. Makes ya think don't it?

There is another cabin at Knik other that the three on Metal Creek trail. It is in the woods this side of Wolf Point but I can't think it would have been easy to get to from anywhere you can land a plane.

There's one kinda near the landing strip, but still about a 10 minute ride by vehicle to the cabin that I'm thinking of right after Wolf Point

dman357
03-13-2006, 10:05 PM
How much?

Between $8 or $10

sledneck
03-13-2006, 10:09 PM
wonder where that plane is now

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=3089Z

That N number has been give to a diffrent aircraft. If you look at the link above it says it is registerd to a Beechcraft A36

Advent
03-14-2006, 03:26 AM
I remember looking up the plane a while ago and finding out exactly what sleddie did.

I imagine that the troopers are using his Super Cub now.

JeffJ
03-14-2006, 08:32 AM
There's one kinda near the landing strip, but still about a 10 minute ride by vehicle to the cabin that I'm thinking of right after Wolf Point

JeffJ
03-14-2006, 08:38 AM
There's one kinda near the landing strip, but still about a 10 minute ride by vehicle to the cabin that I'm thinking of right after Wolf Point

HUH. I didn't know there was another past wolf point.:con: Not talking about the lower cabin on Metal Creek Trail? That is the one I always hear called the "Butcher baker" cabin. Not the A-frame further up.

The cabin I'm talking about is between Wolf Point and the Friday Creek crossing. Kind of tucked away in the brush. I've ridden right past it in the summer and not seen it. In the fall, it becomes a little more obvious. I've never really stopped and checked it out. It's obscurity is probably the only reason it hasn't been thrashed and burned. It looks MUCH older than the others. I think there is a cabin at the base of Friday Mountain as well but I've never seen it.

Gazer
03-14-2006, 08:56 AM
Not talking about the lower cabin on Metal Creek Trail? That is the one I always hear called the "Butcher baker" cabin. Not the A-frame further up.

Me, dman357, and Nate camped out at the small one below that A-frame cabin last winter. I don't think that could be the Butcher Baker cabin... that place was small as hell and it sure didn't have any basement or anything like that which I heard someone mention. When we were there I think we assumed it was the A-frame cabin up top. Baaa who knows :confused:

ODDBALL
03-14-2006, 09:04 AM
Thin s is a good discution each time it come to surface. The "A" frame cabin was "said" to be R.H.'s cabin & I also did not see them "say" that he had a cabin in Knik. I did search around the place & found the holes that had been dug in the gorund around the cabin. I remember searching for "KNIK" on google & had stumbled over the land with both cabins for sale for a high price! I need to find that if it's still up & post a link for you guys to see. I would like to find the truth about the cabin to see if the feeling of strange can be reversed.:laugh: I also had word that a landing strip can be found on the side of the mountain above the cabin another 1/2 mile up that trail. Time for some local Myth Busters! Im searching for the link..........................

AKBearMoose
03-14-2006, 09:39 AM
Previously on AK4x4 (alaska4x4network.com/showthread.php?t=997)

ODDBALL
03-14-2006, 10:00 AM
OK guys I feel like a *** that the pics will not pull up from the site for me. But here is the link that has the two lots up for sale. Look at that price!http://www.realtyalaska.com/knik_glacier.htm

dman357
03-14-2006, 10:16 AM
$750,000:Speach:

Wow. Ummmmm.......NO.
It also showed that the page was from 1999.

It didn't show the pics for me either. The links are broken

JeffJ
03-14-2006, 10:35 AM
Thin s is a good discution each time it come to surface. The "A" frame cabin was "said" to be R.H.'s cabin & I also did not see them "say" that he had a cabin in Knik. I did search around the place & found the holes that had been dug in the gorund around the cabin. I remember searching for "KNIK" on google & had stumbled over the land with both cabins for sale for a high price! I need to find that if it's still up & post a link for you guys to see. I would like to find the truth about the cabin to see if the feeling of strange can be reversed.:laugh: I also had word that a landing strip can be found on the side of the mountain above the cabin another 1/2 mile up that trail. Time for some local Myth Busters! Im searching for the link..........................

There is no landing strip further up the mountain unless it is miles above. The trail continues about another mile above the A-frame before it is wipped off the side of the hill by a big landslide. There is another cabin up there and a CAT. I think there is some placer mining going on in the metal Creek gorge but I haven't been past the landslide and it is still a long ways above the valley floor.
I can see why someone would think that land was worth 750K. I would sure like to wake up to that view every day. The commute would be a bit much though! :laugh: Well, I suppose a Super Cub would take care of that!

DrainBramage
03-14-2006, 10:35 AM
I read the book 14 years ago when I first got here. Then a few years later I was meeting a realtor to do some work on a house on old harbor road. i recognized the house, She almost turned red when I asked her if if it was Hansens.
she let me see the basement and the hidden compartments in the walls.
Sure was an eerie feeling to know what had gone on there. FREAK!!!!!
last I heard he was in seward correction slowly dying. Not fast enough!:Speache:

CRUNCHY
03-14-2006, 10:49 AM
Just some pics of what is up that way!:grin2:

http://www.wheelingadventures.com/

Click on Knick Glacier run on September 3rd 2005.

That area is very active, so be respectful. Also alot of people like to hike up beyond that trail for sheep hunting. And there is an airstrip up beyond the driving point.

00TJ
03-14-2006, 11:30 AM
does anyone have GPS coor on these cabins? Could you send them to me I have some old timers that might know some stuff about them...

dman357
03-14-2006, 11:34 AM
I can see why someone would think that land was worth 750K.

Opportunity for revenue. The view.

ODDBALL
03-15-2006, 08:03 AM
Just some pics of what is up that way!:grin2:

http://www.wheelingadventures.com/

Click on Knick Glacier run on September 3rd 2005.

That area is very active, so be respectful. Also alot of people like to hike up beyond that trail for sheep hunting. And there is an airstrip up beyond the driving point.I remember seeing the A FRAME cabin up on the hill the first time I ever hit Knik. It had glass in it & was not thrashed like it is now. Over the years young kids "teeni boppers" would drive out to that cabin & party. Taking stuff out of the cabin & throwing it off the cliff. Big Dan has made a comment that the deed to the cabin belongs to some folks that just could not keep the place up with all the vandalizm going on. Was this ever R.H.'s cabin? Are the owners relatives of Hansen? Could the cabin they write about be one of the ones that have fallen near that fork of the river? Crunchy, you know when you start to climb that hill as you crest it near the small lower shack ther was a small cabin at that point at one time? Another one once stood down stream tward anchorage also from that point. I know that Knik has one old guy that stays year round with his son in the Friday Creek drainage & wonder if he could help put things in line about the history out that way.

ODDBALL
03-15-2006, 08:05 AM
does anyone have GPS coor on these cabins? Could you send them to me I have some old timers that might know some stuff about them...Let's go out to the cabin this weekend. You bring your Jeep & I will drive.:grin:

Dopey Joe
03-15-2006, 01:04 PM
I remember seeing the A FRAME cabin up on the hill the first time I ever hit Knik. It had glass in it & was not thrashed like it is now. Over the years young kids "teeni boppers" would drive out to that cabin & party. Taking stuff out of the cabin & throwing it off the cliff. Big Dan has made a comment that the deed to the cabin belongs to some folks that just could not keep the place up with all the vandalizm going on. Was this ever R.H.'s cabin? Are the owners relatives of Hansen? Could the cabin they write about be one of the ones that have fallen near that fork of the river? Crunchy, you know when you start to climb that hill as you crest it near the small lower shack ther was a small cabin at that point at one time? Another one once stood down stream tward anchorage also from that point. I know that Knik has one old guy that stays year round with his son in the Friday Creek drainage & wonder if he could help put things in line about the history out that way.


The "old guy" has raised two sons at least on his homestead by the mountain out there. Always happy to see company and chat some. There have been a couple other folks over the years who have had hoemsteads in the valley. There are a handful of cabins back there if you know where to look for them. And the remains of a couple more. a couple of them actual log cabins dating back maybe as much as 100 years.

ODDBALL
03-16-2006, 08:11 AM
The "old guy" has raised two sons at least on his homestead by the mountain out there. Always happy to see company and chat some. There have been a couple other folks over the years who have had hoemsteads in the valley. There are a handful of cabins back there if you know where to look for them. And the remains of a couple more. a couple of them actual log cabins dating back maybe as much as 100 years.Dang! I have been out to Knik many times & never take off from the normal tack. Just last summer was my first trip up to the base of WIDOW MAKER!:eek: You know the spot & I know a guy that took his Sammi up that thing & made it!:eek: All out NUTS! I find it nice to be able to put time & names/a face to some of the stuff we find in the hills.

AKBearMoose
03-16-2006, 04:21 PM
OK i did some research on ROBERT CHRISTIAN HANSEN's house & or cabin
and came up with a couple of adresses
one of them in anch. and one in the valley
i then googled the adresses to find the location -
1327 EAST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654 it seemed to be in the wrong area,
then i figuered i would run the adress again
1327 WEST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654 to my suprise in-between the two adresses
wolf point and metal creek where almost a direct line with theese two adresses is this were the cabin is
if so his house is the one off fairview loop road
i also ran
1058 EAST SUE LN. 99501 it took me to what appeared to be west 5th. ave. & c street. was this road known as OLD HARBOR ROAD? a dirrect shot across the inlet. i can get more info on tax records, quit-claims to see who owns it now
is this the spot! (think of all the bodies that could be between these area's)
also it is realy cool to look at on google earth you can also search airports, restraunts, police stations, roads, railroads well anything actually
Lol...Bob Hansen on Fairview loop HATES his name because of Google...he was harrassed all through the 80's...quiet in the 90's...now he has Hansen worshippers dropping by from the states thanks to google...:Speache:

NewbieFJ60
03-16-2006, 04:25 PM
old harbour drive is off muldoon .;.. wait till 630 I can tell you the owners of the house .. my wife knows them

NewbieFJ60
03-16-2006, 04:28 PM
I read the book 14 years ago when I first got here. Then a few years later I was meeting a realtor to do some work on a house on old harbor road. i recognized the house, She almost turned red when I asked her if if it was Hansens.
she let me see the basement and the hidden compartments in the walls.
Sure was an eerie feeling to know what had gone on there. FREAK!!!!!
last I heard he was in seward correction slowly dying. Not fast enough!:Speache:


what year was that ? when you worked on the house .. THe people that ny wife knew who owned it also owned a towing buisness in town ... sound familular ?

Maddening
03-16-2006, 06:29 PM
??? I'm confused at what you're asking JeepnWarren... The guy on Fairview loop road is not the same guy or even related, and the line between anchorage to fairview loop road is miles and miles away from Metal Creek/Knik Glacier area.

Toyminator
03-16-2006, 06:59 PM
the guy that owns this house is robert j hansen
quit-clamed to him by charlotte l bradley
thought they might be his kids
look at the line from one to the other
is the cabin betwen them
if so his house was off 1327 east fairview loop road turn around and go west on fairview loop till you hit
metal creek trail, is this were the cabin is?
also his anch. adress is buy 5th & c street
by able towing & transfer. ring a bell? also
his bakery was on 9th & ingra, anybody know the name of it? or his kids names?

Read the links. His wife and kids left the state two years after he was convicted because of harrasment.

There are at least 4 other Robert Hansen's in Alaska that have no relation to the Butcher Baker. Not exactly an uncommon name.

BadCo
03-16-2006, 07:06 PM
the guy that owns this house is robert j hansen
quit-clamed to him by charlotte l bradley
thought they might be his kids
look at the line from one to the other
is the cabin betwen them
if so his house was off 1327 east fairview loop road turn around and go west on fairview loop till you hit
metal creek trail, is this were the cabin is?
also his anch. adress is buy 5th & c street
by able towing & transfer. ring a bell? also
his bakery was on 9th & ingra, anybody know the name of it? or his kids names?

What a bizarre post. All your information, except the bakery address, is incorrect. The house is in Muldoon, afaik he never killed anyone there, just raped and tortured them there.

AKBroncoII
03-16-2006, 07:08 PM
SWEET, is the house near mine. I might have to check it out when I get back.

AKBearMoose
03-16-2006, 07:15 PM
i was confused to but if you earthgoogle it
it is a straight trail from 1327 EAST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654
TO 1327 WEST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654 (the way the crow fly's) to metal creek
it is in-between - i think his cabin was a butcher shop VIA trail to 1327 east fairview loop 99654, do you google?
it was a straight shot from anch. across to the flats - fairview loop home to the cabin on metal creek
Warren...step away from the bong.....

The Fairview loop Hansen IS NOT in anyway related...he's a Black Mechanic that catches crap because of his name...mostly from idiots that look it up on Google and think it's him!

BadCo
03-16-2006, 07:25 PM
how much of a same thing do you need
follow 1327 east fairview loop 99654 (even if he dont admit to being a realitive)
1327 west fairview loop 99654 & to metal creek it is between the both not that far also hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
its not the bong get off the crack
also i never said it was him! just to many matches

Point being? So there's 4562 Robert Hanson's in New York City.

Ray?

AKBearMoose
03-16-2006, 07:25 PM
how much of a same thing do you need
follow 1327 east fairview loop 99654 (even if he dont admit to being a realitive)1327 west fairview loop 99654 & to metal creek it is between the both not that far also hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
its not the bong get off the crack
also i never said it was him! just to many matches...he's a Black Mechanic that catches crap because of his name...mostly from idiots that look it up on Google and think it's him!

Toyminator
03-16-2006, 07:28 PM
how much of a same thing do you need
follow 1327 east fairview loop 99654 (even if he dont admit to being a realitive)
1327 west fairview loop 99654 & to metal creek it is between the both not that far also hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
its not the bong get off the crack
also i never said it was him! just to many matches


Still have no clue what you are getting at. Post a screenshot or something.

Better yet, call the Trooper's immediately with this startling new evidence! :grin3:

Toyminator
03-16-2006, 08:04 PM
if you google earth 1327 east fairview loop 99654 the (black mechanic,s adress)
not being prejudice/or saying he was related BUT
then jump to 1327 west fairview loop 99654 you will find metal creek in-between
(almost a straight shot) one to another is this were robert hanses's cabin is?

Ok, just for kicks I tried it. Here's what I come up with:


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/347041/metalcreek.jpg


Metal Creek is 30 miles from any line between those two addresses that we already know don't have anything to do with the Butcher Baker.:rolleyes:

BigDan
03-16-2006, 08:27 PM
ROBERT HANSEN (BUTCHER BAKER) NEVER OWNED A CABIN!!!!


Get over it.

BadCo
03-16-2006, 09:02 PM
True, but he used "a shack...used to hang meat...with a roof". This was in Knik. It's quite possible the "meat shack" is no longer standing. It would have to be near a cabin as well. But, yes, he never owned a cabin. He was a thief, why would he buy one?

Maddening
03-16-2006, 09:08 PM
but the question is did he own a house ?
on/or about the hay flats fairview loop area
and posibly butcher them in the area of the cabin in the METAL CREEK TRAIL !
to WOLF POINT area!
ALL in line like a (CROW FLIES!)
a straight shot

:wall: No to all of the above. :read:

BadCo
03-16-2006, 09:10 PM
but the question is did he own a house ?
on/or about the hay flats fairview loop area
and posibly butcher them in the area of the cabin in the METAL CREEK TRAIL !
to WOLF POINT area!
ALL in line like a (CROW FLIES!)
a straight shot

Go read the book. Yes, he owned a house. No, it wasn't anywhere near where you think it is. The house still stands, it's off of Muldoon (near the Fred Meyer's). He didn't live in the Fairview Loop area. The dude has been in jail for over 25 years, so your super detective work isn't going to be current.

So a random location you picked happens to be almost a straight line, BFD...

Biggun
03-16-2006, 09:11 PM
Warren, you are acting like he was the boogeyman or some mythical winged beast from a fairytale. he is a serial killer. a murderer. such a person is not worthy of our discussion. my old man was a palmer police officer in the late 70's and he has told me about helping dig up the bodies of that guys victims. its in the past, we caught him, its over.

Gazer
03-16-2006, 11:28 PM
The house still stands, it's off of Muldoon (near the Fred Meyer's).

**** that's right by where me and Andrew live... spooky huh? :grin3:

BigDan
03-17-2006, 06:03 AM
I don't have the book right here in front of me so correct me if I'm wrong. It was mentioned he used a "canvas and pole wall tent" used for drying meat. Right next to where he landed the plane. That would mean on the flats. And I agree it's long gone.

When I read that book I was specificaly looking for aa connection to the Knik cabins. Thats as close as I got. But I'm 100% positive we'll never know all that went on out there. He very well could have used one or all the cabins. I was just hoping to find some form of documentation that he admitted to or had witnesses saying he had.

Maddening
03-17-2006, 11:41 AM
For some reason I remember hearing/reading that it was the cabin on the cliff, the view being mentioned in the narrative. But I can't find it now, and can't even remember where I heard it. I think it was a TV show, that seems like what it was.... but it was so long ago I forget. :con: Would be a bit interesting to know which cabin, but it's not really even relevant any more. People somewhere know which one for sure, there is a full investigative file on this somewhere and many people were involved, but we'll probably never find out. Who cares anyhoo, old history now I guess... Still interesting, and freaky that it happened at a place I spent much of my youth at with no clue of those poor lost souls still residing out there that were never recovered.

dman357
03-17-2006, 11:52 AM
I'd like to find out for sure so that people would stop refering to it as such if it is indeed not the correct one. Trivial?......yes, but I'd like to know for certain.

Dopey Joe
03-17-2006, 12:05 PM
i was confused to but if you earthgoogle it
it is a straight trail from 1327 EAST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654
TO 1327 WEST FAIRVIEW LOOP 99654 (the way the crow fly's) to metal creek
it is in-between - i think his cabin was a butcher shop VIA trail to 1327 east fairview loop 99654, do you google?
it was a straight shot from anch. across to the flats - fairview loop home to the cabin on metal creek


This doesn't make a bit of sense. What sort of physics do you use to draw a line that runs northeast fromn Anchorage then makes a ninety degree turn to run south east and then call it straight???

Sean76
03-17-2006, 12:40 PM
His house was on old harbour rd in anchorage!!!!!!!!!!

AKBearMoose
03-17-2006, 06:24 PM
Unsolved Mysteries, when they featured Eklutna Annie, were the ones that hyped the A-Frame...needed something to assimilate the location....

Biggun
03-17-2006, 06:52 PM
you are insane.

BigDan
03-17-2006, 07:40 PM
And you think you will get a straight answer from a pathalogical liar? Or even if you did get a response how would you know if it was true? Do you think he would incriminate himself and open up more inquirys? Good luck with that.

ruggedtrux
03-17-2006, 07:55 PM
I met Robert Hansen in 1999 when I worked as a flight paramedic. He was medevac'd from Seward to Anchorage by the service I worked for at the time. I saw his name before we took off from Anchorage to pick him up. I had a female partner from out of state who had never heard of him, and I didn't tell her his story until we dropped him off at the Anchorage hospital. She didn't believe me so I gave her my copy of the book I had just read a few moths prior. What I remember most about that flight is how the notorious "Butcher-Baker" was now just a skinny, wasted old man with big glasses who didn't look me in the eye once and answered my questions very softly. (I also remember the Corrections Officer who transported with us was about 6'6" tall and smacked his head so hard on the edge of the aircraft door while we were loading that we had to bandage him)
It's amazing how much evil can be in one person.

JeffJ
03-17-2006, 10:31 PM
Ya know, I've spent a lot of time around all of those cabins up there. Both alone and with company. I don't think I have ever felt uncomfortable. The place is really quite beautiful.

Now the thought of holding in my hands a letter adressed and written to me by Robert Hansen just creeps me out. :Speach:

dman357
04-25-2006, 09:45 AM
Here is the other book.
It is discontinued now, so its not being sold at many places.
Tried to order if from Amazon, NO.........book dealer off ebay, NO...........Barnes and Nobles, NO.........
Finally found it at Tidal Wave, used books, in the "higher priced" book area.
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/317088/fullsize/Fair%20Game%20by%20Bernard%20Duclos.jpg



This book goes much further in depth about the rapes, all of his theft convictions, his arson court hearing, and just further in detail about his phsycological state of mind in general.

As to the area that he did most of his killings.......
It looks like the small meat drying shack that he did most of it at was between the old knik bridge and the new knik bridge. So basically, nothing happened near the glacier at all.

I make this presumption because it says that he drove the the first few victims to the meat shack and it wasn't until later that he got the plane. Even after he got the plane, it looks like he took them to the same place. Here's a quote

"He landed his Super Cub on a gray pebbled sandbar upriver from the new glenn highway bridge that spanned the knik river. It was an area popular with moose hunters; Hansen liked it too. He'd brought a woman there the week before, got what he wanted and flew her back to Anchorage. Page.22
...... It was a crude structure, with a screen door held shut by a bent nail. When Hansen got her inside, Paula looked up and saw a long iron pipe suspended between two posts, running the length of the shack. She didn't know it was there for hanging moose meat, to protect a hunters bounty from crawling bugs, but its looks had a sinister aspect that added to her terror. Page.23"

It pinpoints more precisely the location of the bodies and I'll modify the post from the other book to reflect what this book says.

JeffJ
04-25-2006, 09:54 AM
Cool. I re-loaned your other book. One of my co-workers read it and when she brought it back, one of my patients wanted to read it! If I don't get it back, I'll buy you another one. Does this book have better maps?

dman357
04-25-2006, 09:58 AM
nope, same aviation chart that he marked the x's on.

dman357
04-25-2006, 10:36 AM
Yep,
Here's the ones that they found/recovered the bodies.

All info taken from the book (no copyright infringement)

Joanna Messina, found 8 July 1980, gravel pit near Seward

"Eklutna Annie", found 17 July 1980, at Eklutna Lake Road

Sherry Morrow, found 12 Sept 1982, at Knik River

Paula Goulding, found 2 Sept 1983, at Knik River

Sue Luna, found 24 Apr 1984, at Old Knik River bridge parking lot (by Jim Creek)

Malai Larsen, found 24 Apr 1984, at Old Knik River bridge parking lot (parking area down from the old knik bridge)

Delynn Frey, found 25 Apr 1984, at Summit Lake (unidentifiable victim "Jane Doe" was found lying on top of the ground by Horseshoe Lake in the Matsu-Valley)

Angela Feddern, found 26 Apr 1984, at Figure Eight Lake. (on a small lake near Figure Eight Lake just north of the mouth of the Big Su River. Animal Predation had reduced her remains to a piece of jawbone.)

Teresa Watson, found 26 Apr 1984, at Scenic Lake (found, half eaten by animals, at scenic lake on the Kenai peninsula)

Tamara Pederson, found 29 Apr 1984, at the Knik River (on an island in the middle of the Knik River approxiamately one and a half miles down from the old Knik bridge)

Lisa Futrell, found 9 May 1984, at the old Knik River River Bridge gravel pit. (located buried at the entrance to a gravel pit just south of the old knik bridge)

1 body he admitted to throwing in the river near the new highway where the railroad tracks cross over Knik. Body never found.

Accounted for 11 victims, Thought to have kill about 23 and raped more than 35.

The info from the book Fair Game is in Red. There are some discrepensies as to who was found where. The Authors of both books probably didn't do all their research correctly.... or.....we just don't know who was who. I'd bet it was the former. I think the authors just did the research, interviews, and all such and never visited the Knik area. They just wrote what people told them.

dman357
04-25-2006, 10:42 AM
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/317091/original/fair%20game%20pic.jpg



If you have the ability to blow that picture up, then you can see in the bottom picture that they are on the downriver side of the Old bridge and on the north side of the river.

In the top photo, you can barely make out any details, but you can tell where the glacier is and where metal creek is. There are no x's around there. All are near the Old Bridge area.

My Personal belief is that we have all been telling people wrongly that the A frame was his "area". I don't think he ever did anything up there.

HeavyMetal
04-25-2006, 11:28 AM
dman357...Wish I would have read this earlier...(having lived here when all of this was happening I tend to skip over post like this...Kind of like after you have heard the same story about the "huge" fish that got away for several hundred times...)

because I have a copy of Fair Game that I would have let you read...

I have a friend that is a ex State Trooper that was invovled with that case...I will try and get a hold of him and see what he say's about the cabin...

Having spent a fair amount of my wayward youth in the strip joints mentioned in the book...I meet Mr. Hansen several times...Didn't know who he was at the time but he looked a lot like a friend of mine and my buddys...More than once we mistook him for our friend in the dark and it wasn't until they had his picture on the news and in the newspapers that we all realized that the dude we kept mistaking for are friend was this wack case...

BigDan
04-25-2006, 11:31 AM
I agree, Gary. With the info we have, it looks like the cabin is free from guilt. But then we don't have all the info in his head either.

dman357
04-25-2006, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=HeavyMetal]

Having spent a fair amount of my wayward youth in the strip joints mentioned in the book...I meet Mr. Hansen several times...Didn't know who he was at the time but he looked a lot like a friend of mine and my buddys...QUOTE]

There's one other person on here that has been to bakery and "sort-of" met the guy. It's his decision if he wants his name out there. If you know who I'm talking about, keep it to yourself for now.

GPS Guru
08-04-2006, 06:49 AM
Wow, that is a heavy but very interesting read …………….. having read all the available material I cannot conclusively link the Cabin to the killer and it seem that nobody else can either...……..my immediate reaction is the cabin story is urban myth.

I guess we all have our own cross to bear …………… we have had many serial killers over the years ……… but this was our worst ……………. and he had the guts to string himself up whilst in prison.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/shipman/dead_1.html



http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/famous_criminal/43/home/1/Harold_Shipman.htm (http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/famous_criminal/43/home/1/Harold_Shipman.htm)


Ian

Logjam
09-22-2006, 10:50 AM
I received a message today from Jenny... :|

Andrea Altiery - victim of serial killer Robert Hansen

I noticed on Alaska 4x4 Network a reference to Andrea Altiery, victim of serial killer Robert Hansen.

I lived with Andrea. She and I were both victims of the Chuck Hawkins mind control cult on the Big Island, Hawaii.

Andrea was abused by Chuck Hawkins, the guru, as well as other adult males from her preteen years on. I believe this is how she became a prostitute to begin with.

The horrific story of this criminally destructive mind control cult is told on my web site at www.missmanagement.com.

Logjam
09-22-2006, 11:30 AM
Wow, thats some scary stuff on that site. Its like the stories of the Branch Dividians and Scientologists

JeffJ
09-22-2006, 02:03 PM
I think about this guy every time I pass where the bakery used to be or the high way side of Merrel Field by the Big Tember Lodge. I suppose we will never know the whole truth but what we do know is more than enough!:Speach: There are some sick individuals out there.

Dang GPS! 400! And we thought the Ripper was bad! :eek: We had one in Texas that claimed over 130 but many couldn't be confirmed.

BadCo
09-25-2006, 09:18 AM
I think about this guy every time I pass where the bakery used to be or the high way side of Merrel Field by the Big Tember Lodge. I suppose we will never know the whole truth but what we do know is more than enough!:Speach: There are some sick individuals out there.

Dang GPS! 400! And we thought the Ripper was bad! :eek: We had one in Texas that claimed over 130 but many couldn't be confirmed.

The bakery was at 9th and Ingra, the building is still there.

geeky907
09-25-2006, 09:32 AM
Did hansen have a duaghter?

ODDBALL
09-25-2006, 09:53 AM
IIRC, Miller "Mildoo" was the one who told me that the "A FRAME" cabin was his. Is the post about the cabin work party still here? One guy had contact with the people who say they own the place.:Speach2: THey would know some info I would think.

JeffJ
09-25-2006, 10:00 AM
Yea, I know about the bakery. Don't know which space in the little building it was though.

Don't remember if he had a daughter but he did have kids. The wife moved them out of state to get away from the publicity.

There is a contact number in the very first post of the a-frame post.

geeky907
09-25-2006, 10:27 AM
The irony to all this is, this sunday my pastor mentioned from the pulpit that he had been the youth pastor to the daughter of an alaskan serial killer/rapist.. wonder if it was hansens daughter?

JeffJ
09-25-2006, 12:48 PM
Probably. Hansen's wife was a religious woman. One of the things the profiler picked up on before they figured out who it was.

geeky907
09-25-2006, 12:54 PM
If somebody's interested in hearing the whole refrence, you can hear it online http://www.mcaonline.org/recentsermons/