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Old 12-05-2004, 03:00 PM   #1
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Exclamation Buildup of a Chevy based Truggy - The "Freak"

Freak re-build season 3

Winter mods to include:

Retube the rear of the buggy
Replace the frame from the back of the cab rearward
Remount the radiator, and build shrouds to increase air flow
Rework the rear suspension and "Thread" the links for more busing life and increased articulation
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:07 PM   #2
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that's a scary title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:09 PM   #3
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My thoughts exactly
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:26 PM   #4
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Aww, your'e just jelous of all my storage area 3:

This spurred mostly by your Radiator situation? Or storage things also?
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:37 PM   #5
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It looks so naked
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:37 PM   #6
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This is spurred by the radiators lack of smooth air flow for the most part. Its also because I dont like the way the back half of the buggy was built. When I did the original build, I had never fabricated anything before. So there were lots of compromises made. Now that I have a pretty good handle on the fab thing, I have been wanting to clean things up some.
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:38 PM   #7
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Im anxious to see the final product!
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:40 PM   #8
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What are you going to use to replace the frame from the cab rearward? Tubing? What size?
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Old 12-05-2004, 03:56 PM   #9
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What did ya paint the freek for? Get tired of that bright orange
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Old 12-05-2004, 04:50 PM   #10
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Just wondering what you meant by "thread" the links for more bushing life. I thought they were already threaded? Have you thought about going with the superflex joints?
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Old 12-05-2004, 05:35 PM   #11
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Do you have a different design for the cage or will it be basically the same? If so lets see a drawing of the changes.
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:33 PM   #12
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Hey Brook I take it your done wheeling for the season
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Old 12-05-2004, 08:38 PM   #13
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I painted it cause I got tired of trying to touch up the cab/cage, witout getting overspray on the cage/cab. The orange faded really fast, and with as much grinding the cage into dirt I do, the paint doesnt hold up very well. Now I can just bomb the whole thing... Right over the dirt

Im working on a photo chop of my plans for the tube work right now.

John, I guess you could say that I hope to be done before the snow melts though.... Would like to make some more snow runs before things get muddy. Who knows though, last time I said that I spent the first three months of the year at work.

I have thought about J.J, Heims, etc. but there is little or no advantage over what I will be doing this winter. The threaded mechanisms Im going to use will allow infinate twist, and are IMO much stronger than anything currently on the market. Also. I already have them

The cage tubing will be 1.5" (1.900" OD) sch 40 A53E pipe. Same stuff Im running on the rest of the truck. *some of the stringers will be 1.25" Sch 40 (1.660" OD) The links were made from 1.5" sch 80, but the new ones will be sch 40 and have bracing as shown in the picture below.
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Old 12-05-2004, 08:40 PM   #14
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oooooo, exciting
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Post a pick of the mechanism. I'd like to see what you mean.
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Same as what you have on your links, and as I have on my front links.
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Old 12-05-2004, 09:10 PM   #17
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Same as what you have on your links, and as I have on my front links.
Oh I thought your rears were adjustable before. You should machine some of those nuts down and send some up to me. Grinding them takes way too long. Just wondering if you know what all sizes that allthread comes in?
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Oh I thought your rears were adjustable before. You should machine some of those nuts down and send some up to me. Grinding them takes way too long. Just wondering if you know what all sizes that allthread comes in?

Machining them isnt much faster.

You can get b7 allthread in 1.25 and 1.5, and 1-9/16 for sure, I'll look to see what other sizes are standard tomorrow.

Sleddy: I forgot about that.... That was definately a good reason to paint it.
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Old 12-05-2004, 09:24 PM   #19
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alright cool, I think the 1.5" might be too big for the long arms on my cherokee. Just wondering what else was out there. It's not that it takes so long with the grinder. It's the trying to align it is what I have problems with. A grinder can't get it as round as a lathe. What size pipe did you use on your links? I can't remember.
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Old 12-05-2004, 09:39 PM   #20
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[QUOTE=bgreen]
I have thought about J.J, Heims, etc. but there is little or no advantage over what I will be doing this winter. The threaded mechanisms Im going to use will allow infinate twist, and are IMO much stronger than anything currently on the market. Also. I already have them [QUOTE]


You say much stronger. A 1 1/4" hiem is rated for a little over 48,000lbs. But like you put, you all ready have everything. The price on the hiems are $$. Cant wait to see the finished cage. Looks like you have created quite the project
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The tensile strength on a 1.5" B7 Threaded rod is 125ksi.

So for a stud with a root diamter of 1.4" it has an ultimate load strength of about 175,000 lbs.
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The down side to my set up is the strength of the 9/16 bolt that goes through the bushing.
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Im using 9/16" grade 8 bolts mounted in double shear, isolated by approx 5/8" of polyurethane.

To calculate the shear capability of a grade 8 fastener, you multiply its shear strength by the fasteners crossectional area. So.... The area of a 9/16 bolt is roughly .2484" multiplied by ~ 91,000 psi = 22600 lbs. Now multiply that by 2, because the bolt is in double shear, and you get 45200

Thats no where near the tensile strength of the B7 threaded rod, but remember we are talking about ultimate strengths here just for comparison. The idea is to prevent the threaded rod from bending, causing it to bind. Not to mention the relative cost of the two components. I'd much rather bend a 2 dollar bolt than 15 bucks of B7. (Also, if you bent the b7 it likely would not come out of the nuts, so you would have to replace the whole thing)
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alright cool, I think the 1.5" might be too big for the long arms on my cherokee. Just wondering what else was out there. It's not that it takes so long with the grinder. It's the trying to align it is what I have problems with. A grinder can't get it as round as a lathe. What size pipe did you use on your links? I can't remember.
Here is a link for your standard sizes.... B7

I was running 1.5" sch 80, but will be running 1.5" sch 40.
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Old 12-06-2004, 12:11 AM   #25
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i definately like the look of black on that truck. more stealthy
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