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Old 12-28-2004, 02:48 AM   #101
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what the hillbilly said
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:59 AM   #102
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In the one pic Brook where it says RAD. No need to toot your own horn, and besides no one uses that word anymore.

Ohh, and hillbilly says it needs more plywood and angle iron!
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:50 AM   #103
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Brook,

I'd like to hear / see more of your gin pole idea/setup.

Are they going to be on your buggy always?

What uses do you have planed for them?

How much will they pick?

Will you be able to raise and lower the poles while you are using them?

Where are you going to store them?

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Old 12-28-2004, 05:06 PM   #104
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Gin Pole? http://www.w9iix.com/ii00008.htm
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Old 12-28-2004, 05:34 PM   #105
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Nate that Gin pole is well and good for us Radio guys....but I prefer to utilize them to work smarter not harder in the field as well (Lady Di's Moose)


Thanks Gus for the Pic from the old board
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Old 12-28-2004, 05:54 PM   #106
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Green are the poles, blue is the winch line. Red is the cables that hold the poles in the desired position. the red and blue dot is the sheeve.

I prolly wont keep the poles on the buggy all the time, or ever really. But I will make a mount for them on my trailer so they will be available if needed. The only time I would take the poles with me is when I am moose hunting.

I should be able to pick up 1000 lbs or more without getting crazy with large diameter tubing, I sure gus could lend more insight here. I could raise and lower the poles pretty easy if I set it up to run off the front winch, but I dont plan to. The load will raise and lower with the rear winch.
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:04 PM   #107
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AkBear thats a good lookin bull..where'd you take that out of?
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:23 PM   #108
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AkBear thats a good lookin bull..where'd you take that out of?
That is from Gus and Di's hunting journey this year wish it was min, I wouldn't be paying out for beef right now...LOL
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Old 12-28-2004, 10:16 PM   #109
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Oh, ok I've never seen that before. Pretty good idea. I didn't realize you hunted, so it never crossed my mind that would be called gin poles.
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Old 12-29-2004, 04:45 AM   #110
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Yeh I know the feelin, I hit the Yukon in '03 and I'm still eatin meat. Great idea for the gin polls...wish I had that on my dads boat
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:01 AM   #111
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Green are the poles, blue is the winch line. Red is the cables that hold the poles in the desired position. the red and blue dot is the sheeve.

I prolly wont keep the poles on the buggy all the time, or ever really. But I will make a mount for them on my trailer so they will be available if needed. The only time I would take the poles with me is when I am moose hunting.

I should be able to pick up 1000 lbs or more without getting crazy with large diameter tubing, I sure gus could lend more insight here. I could raise and lower the poles pretty easy if I set it up to run off the front winch, but I dont plan to. The load will raise and lower with the rear winch.

The gin poles that Diana and I use are 9.5' long and the last piece is about 3' of 15/16" cold roll. The sheave is mounted on a short piece of 15/16" cold roll held between 2 pieces of 1/4" plate, this allows the sheave to swivel so that it can follow the load. It also has cable guides that keep the cable from hopping off of the sheave when there is slack in the cable. Mine was made so that everything is pinned together so no tools are required to assemble the poles. At the present time we are using steel cable to support the gin poles but I need to change them over to synthetic before next season. We alsso have a place to store the poles along side the frame so that they are always there. The most I have lifted was a Chevy S-10 Blazer body off the frame. We also carry a spreader bar to hold the legs apart on a moose to make gutting easier.

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Old 12-29-2004, 06:52 AM   #112
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Here's a pic of the poles in action with the spreader bar in use, note the crown piece and how it is built.

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Old 12-30-2004, 04:17 AM   #113
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Brook / Speedo,

Thanks for the pics.

I worked for a oilfield trucking/rig up company in Montana back in the 80's called Getter Trucking and we built bed trucks with gin poles on them, but they were made of like 5" pipe with the next size shoved in and so forth. We cut a one foot section off a gin pole once and weighed it and it weighed 75lbs.

We had ours set up with a 100K lb tulsa winch for picking up stuff and a 80K lb tulsa for raising and lowering the poles.

The trucks were normally 300" WB and they would pick up so much that the front end would raise up so we'd chain the front of another bed truck to the one lifting to keep the front on the ground.

The one thing that would cause the gin poles to fail is if the picked load ever bumped the gin poles then the poles would fold like paper clips.

I know that a buggy with gin poles would make a great moose hunting rig.

Have you guys ever thought of building a heavier set of gin poles for recovery type work?

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Old 12-30-2004, 10:59 AM   #114
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I worked for a oilfield trucking/rig up company in Montana back in the 80's called Getter Trucking and we built bed trucks with gin poles on them...Carey
That's awesome Carey, I maintained some Getter trucks that were working the Exeter fields by Gillette Wyoming 1982-1986...LOL (mainly Exeter #18)
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That's awesome Carey, I maintained some Getter trucks that were working the Exeter fields by Gillette Wyoming 1982-1986...LOL (mainly Exeter #18)
Cool I worked for them in Billings from 84 till I joined the Army in Dec 85.

What ever happed to Getter I assume they went under?

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Old 12-30-2004, 04:13 PM   #116
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Cool I worked for them in Billings from 84 till I joined the Army in Dec 85.

What ever happed to Getter I assume they went under?

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I Dunno, I enlisted and never looked back...LOL
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Old 12-30-2004, 05:45 PM   #117
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Brook / Speedo, have you guys ever thought of building a heavier set of gin poles for recovery type work?
I have, but really, the rear springs on any buggy I have ever had wouldnt handle using the gin poles for recovery work. It would be sweet to be able to winch up an such a steep angle though.
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Old 12-30-2004, 06:00 PM   #118
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You could always set up some pulls like the work trucks do. Sit them under the frame in the back with some big bass, so that it's pushing on that?

Just a thought.
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Old 12-30-2004, 07:02 PM   #119
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wouldnt really matter, the front end would just end up coming off the ground anyway.
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Old 12-30-2004, 07:25 PM   #120
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C'mon, you could pick up Samurai's all day


Actually, some legs would be smart, regardless. You guys have seen the pics of the crane recovering the car from the water, that falls in too? And then they send the next crane? hehehe...................
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Old 12-30-2004, 10:36 PM   #121
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Brook,

Where will you carry the gin poles when moose hunting?

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Old 01-02-2005, 12:48 PM   #122
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I may or may not really need any ducting, but I might want to at least have some to direct air over or under some tool boxes or something.

I could rig up some sort of test stand maybe? Any ideas?

How about I mount the fans to a wood box, with a vacuum gage on it? Just dead head them?
I bringing this post back up Brook based on our conversation this weekend (if you even remember talking about it).

A test stand would be easy to make, and we could use a couple u-tube manometers to meassure the pressure, this would allow us to measure both positive and negative pressures on each side of the fan. Keep closing down the area until the fan stalls out and see what the pressure was at that point.

But what I am having trouble figuring out is how to translate that to the actual cooling performance of the radiator and knowing what sort of air volume would be neccesary to keep your caddy motor happy. I have some instruments at work that measure air speed fairly accurate, which can be used to calculate the CFM. Do you have any ideas for determining a baseline?

Below is a quick picuture I found of a u-tube manometer. For this application we would just connect each end of the "U" to the inlet and outlet side of the ductwork near the fan. This would give is a differential pressure in inches or water column (this screwy engineering unit of pressure).

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I do remember the conversation, and depending on how much room I have I may have to do the testing you speak of. Just depends on how things go in the next few weeks.

Today I built most of both spring mounts. I started out with some cardboard, making templates that fit around the tubes, and formed the basic shape of the mount I wanted.
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After cutting out the main horizontal plate from 1/8" A36 plate, I drilled a 1-7/8" hole though the plate. This allowed me to weld the nut on both sides of the plate. The stud is 1.5"-8 B7 threaded rod. There is a head from a 3/4" allen socket welded into the top of the stud. The spring sits inside a bucket I rolled out of 14ga with a 1/8" plate top.
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Old 01-03-2005, 02:58 AM   #125
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So is the allthread for adjustable ride height?

Looks pretty trick.
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