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Old 03-03-2009, 09:06 AM   #76
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Looking close! Do you think she will be done by summer?
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:27 PM   #77
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Looking close! Do you think she will be done by summer?

Thanks! I am trying hard. I can fab all day long but I have the hardest time with the finish work. I keep finding other things to make rather than get after wiring brake & fuel lines.

Spring snogo riding is eating up days too
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Old 03-03-2009, 05:31 PM   #78
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WOW do I know exactly what you mean! I am finding all kinds of little stuff I want to work on before I take mine out. I just ordered all new bushings for the front arms and I am pulling the front end back out so I can install the ARB.
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Old 03-17-2009, 04:55 PM   #79
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:02 PM   #80
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them f350 brakes?
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:21 PM   #81
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F550 I think.
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Old 03-17-2009, 05:35 PM   #82
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F550 I think.
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Next up disc brakes F700 rotors & F550 calipers. So much for shaving weight by removing the original drum brakes This mass is heavy!
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Got one side together. Waiting on the rotor for the other side

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Old 04-02-2009, 10:21 PM   #84
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Dang!! Geez man... I need some fab skills... Have any left over for sale or rent?
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:26 AM   #85
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That looks amazing. Keep up the good work. I was just thiniking about bumping this thread too.... Good thing you beat me too it with some updates..
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Old 04-05-2009, 05:59 PM   #86
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Old 04-05-2009, 06:10 PM   #87
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I have debated long and hard on posting on my doubler build, read on and you'll understand why...

I posted here about buying a complete doubler from ORD. Someone said they would build one for the same price as ORDs, just like they would, new bearings, the whole nine yards, I supply the 205. So I had it done.

My first clues to problems came when I was told it was done and come get it. "And oh yeah, they didn't have a stock clocking adapter like I wanted in stock so I used a flat one. They said it would be ok." When I got there it was still in 2 pieces.

It was painted up all nice and I commented that the 205 casting looked like crap. I was told it was cleaned in a steamer of some kind. It was a long ways from home so I took it and came home.

While putting the 203 & 205 together I noticed that a bolt was missing from the adapter to the 203. I put them together and proceed w/the build. After a while I scrapped away some of the paint and found that the he had just painted over the baked on crud that was on the case.




I contacted the builder, he offered 200 or return it and he'd make it right. I am concerned but I choose not to send it back. I want to get the build going and something just didn't feel right. Ya know burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me.

I tried to put it out of my mind and continue with the build. All the time I have been bothered by what looks like a lack of attention to detail. Wondering if I could depend on this thing... Remember a few posts back I said I was having problems shifting it. Like maybe it wasn't twin sticked?

Eventually I knew I was going to have to look inside. Well I just finished tearing the 205 down. I would have stopped and put it back together had I found anything to give me confidence in the assembly.

First I pulled the back cover. Looks like a new needle bearing, good. Then I found the magnet covered it thick black nasty greasy metal shavings infested crap. The magnet had never even been removed, just wiped around.



So I continue to disassemble the front gear drive and found that the front bearing had not been replaced. Now I know the whole thing is coming apart. I pulled the rear drive. Same thing old bearings. This one looks heat checked, so does the shaft. Pulled the input shaft, more old bearings.




Now the part that is really chaps my a$$. I check the idler gears for end play. The book says .000 - .002 tolerance in end play. My "new" rebuild has .016 for end play.



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Old 04-05-2009, 06:31 PM   #88
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I'm thinking the idler gears were probably never even removed. Sure enough. Old gaskets and old sludge inside. Rust under the back cover plate and front washer.





Oh yeah, I had to remove the shift rails to get the idler gear out. Now I know why it shifted like crap. The grinding on the shift rail is just plain poor. The ground surface is ribbed. I'll have to get the good camera and try and a pic to show it.

So here I am with the 205 apart. I have not dissassembled the gears and shafts. I imagine I'll find used needle bearings, clips, probably some sludge and who knows what else. For now they will stay together until I have new parts.

I really don't want to tear down the 203 but I don't see how it can be avoided. I am not meticulous but you have seen the attention I have given this build. I am trying to do it right the first time.

I paid $1700 for this package. The $200 he offered back won't cover the the cost of a rebuild kit for the 205 and sure won't come close if I add in the parts for the 203, gaskets for the doubler or getting the case cleaned and painted. It sure won't cover my labor or the $100+ in fuel I spent driving back and forth. I have PM'd the builder but so far no response. So I am venting here.

I'll fill in some pics after this goes up.

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Old 04-05-2009, 07:13 PM   #89
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That's unreal, for someone to do something like that and take money for work like that. Hope you write up a good review for that shop/individual to warn others.
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:22 PM   #90
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:59 PM   #91
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who was this so we can all avoid them
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:25 PM   #92
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Dude, Scott, that sucks man. I am sorry to hear that. I hope he rights whats wrong... Take it to him, and say WTF? This is BS. I wonder what he would say. Probably, oh, well you took it apart, thats why its messed up. lol. What an a$$
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:32 PM   #93
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I don't know the boards policy on outing bad businesses, maybe someone will make it clear for me. If you want to call or stop by we can talk. For now I'm going to give him the chance to make good on the offer for a $200 refund and work from there. I'll post up whatever happens on that.

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Some more pics just cause...

This is the detent socket for the rear drive. It looks like there was originally a gasket that wasn't cleaned out.


The idler bearings. The shiny spot is where I wiped off the sludge with my finger.


the magnet and clip after removal. Notice the metal shavings



the front drive bearing

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Old 04-05-2009, 10:03 PM   #95
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:56 PM   #96
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that is just wrong! shame on that guy!!!!
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:22 PM   #97
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The builder PM'd me today and we are working out a plan to make it right. I'll post up details as things come together.

I also PM'd w/Brooke about outing businesses on the board. He does not forbid it and had good suggestions about resolving the problems. Personally I prefer not to use the board for trashing someone. It is a bad deal for both of us. Some painful lessons learned on this deal. IMO everyone deserves a second chance, I've been given more than my fair share. I would probably let him rebuild it if he were close enough for me to keep a close watch.

On the positive side I'm gonna learn how to do a complete 205 rebuild
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Well thats a good attitude to have but if they dont make it right let us know
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Old 04-07-2009, 11:18 AM   #99
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****ty deal man... and 1700 seems a lil steep to me... I think I paid about $1700 for everyhting for my double... including 205 machined and hottanked... th400 input, 32spl front and rear outputs, rebuild kits for 203 and 205, doubler and I think thats it... cousin did my shift rails and I had to order my tripple stick separate... oh and I did all the work...its worked fine for about 4 years now... so... I think i did it right...
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Old 04-07-2009, 12:17 PM   #100
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I think telling the name of the builder is fair if you went to him first before posting to fix the wrong. If it took this thread for him to deal with the problem that is still messed up. I sure as hell wouldn't take anything of mine to the guy. There are other people on this board that run good businesses that do quality work and deserve his business.
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