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Old 04-28-2014, 06:32 PM   #1
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So get get folks thinking and talking about how to move 50k# of materials 3/4 mile up the trail...

If we plan our business we can haul some of each parts of the lumber and a crew onsite can get to work building while the majority of the team is hauling. For example one section requires three mud sills, three stringers, and 21 pieces of top decking.

First Loads

* All the tools and support equipment. Drills, saws, genset, power cords, rigging, buckets, fuel, misc.

* Two pallets of fasteners. About 1k# each all in manageable boxes.

* 70, 1/8"x12"x24" anchor plates, the equivalent of 4.5 sheets. Easy to load but will slide all over if not secured well.

Following loads

* 20 mud sills shown in the workday thread, basically 6"x24"x10', with blocks holding them together. You guys that were flipping them want to guess at the weight each?

* 24, 6"x12"x20', stringers. These are the big challenge. Heavy and long.

* 160, 4"x12"x10', 7+ bundles. Top decking. One unit is too heavy for my loader to lift and hold. Easy to break down and move one at a time.

* Handful, 16 I think, of 4"x4"x20', curb rails.


Rig requirements. Obviously space to haul materials and straps to secure the load. Everything will come to a screeching halt if someone looses a load on the trail. Tires suggest 35 or larger. Locked a major plus. Winch required. MUST have good brakes! Anyone want to work on mine other suggestions?


There are two routes to the site. One is called the straight up trail. It gets steep. There is too great a risk of loosing materials off the back using this route as well as loosing steering ability with a heavy load in the rear. It has developed a bad ledge that has a go around but there is a bit of off camber that could get dicey. It's a good return route and if we use it for the return trip we can keep traffic all going one way and eliminate head ons along the trail. The other trail is tamer but has some nasty holes near the beginning. I plan to dress these up with the excavator on the way up. There is no good place to drain the water, short of some long ditches, so it may not do much good.

Moving the 20 footers. I've got an idea for a trailer but they take time to build... Another thot is a PU with a lumber rack. A decent rack should be able to handle two stringers. We just need a way to get them up on top. I really don't want to drag these up. They are the main structural components of the bridge.

Schedule. Weather permitting...

I am off on May 20 and hope to haul the excavator, my 5er, ATV + dirt hauling trailer and maybe the Yota the 17 & 18. During the week haul materials to the staging area. Either the parking lot or to private property close to the trailhead. We will need street trucks and trailers. It was three big loads getting it to the shop. I expect at least four to the staging area.

The first couple days in the field will be spent dressing up the trail and digging the first abutment. I'd like to move the materials up the trail May 24 & 25. Can anyone work during the week of May 26 or would June 2 work better?


So there you have it. Lets hear it, how do we make this happen?
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I go back to school May 19th but think I'm only going 2 days a week this semester. I will look to know for sure and I can help out.
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I go back to school May 19th but think I'm only going 2 days a week this semester. I will look to know for sure and I can help out.
Thanx Cory! Travis may be coming up for the project. Trying to tell him to wait and come up to play rather than work Anyway there may be room in the 5er for a cot or two.

There should be some locals come out to help too. We just need to settle on the dates and let them know.
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If you need help getting stuff to the trailhead I can help with my long bed truck and 20 foot flatbed trailer.
I don't have a rig to haul stuff up the trail.
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Im guessing over 500lb or right at for weight. If we end up going up the straight up trail, we could always skid them up after someone get anchored at the top. Just thinkin safety.
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If you need help getting stuff to the trailhead I can help with my long bed truck and 20 foot flatbed trailer.
I don't have a rig to haul stuff up the trail.
Sweet. YES. Can you haul during the week? What do you figure your load capacity?
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Sweet. YES. Can you haul during the week? What do you figure your load capacity?
I can do evenings.
I work Monday-Friday
8-10K pounds
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It could work. Say you dropped the trailer here at the shop and I'd load it so it'd be ready the next day. The slow part is gonna be unloading.
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Is there room at the pickup/drop off location for a 40' flatbed ? If so I could stage the trailer for a couple days at Scott's house and get the materials there In one shot. If someone could haul a forklift (12,000lb) to the drop off I can borrow one from work to make unloading a little easier. This would need to happen during the week, maybe leave Wasilla around 4pm.
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That sounds even better!
Surely some one could haul the forklift....
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Is there room at the pickup/drop off location for a 40' flatbed ? If so I could stage the trailer for a couple days at Scott's house and get the materials there In one shot. If someone could haul a forklift (12,000lb) to the drop off I can borrow one from work to make unloading a little easier. This would need to happen during the week, maybe leave Wasilla around 4pm.
To haul it in one load? I can make room!!! Is it a big truck (18w) type trailer? It'll take a full day to load and I'll need help. Where is the forklift? There is a guy near the staging area that has a zoomboom. I don't know it's rating. I will contact him.
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Ian, I have two trailer house axles and lots of diamond plate to work with. I have some sch40 that might work for sleaving the axle after shortening. Lets talk
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To haul it in one load? I can make room!!! Is it a big truck (18w) type trailer? It'll take a full day to load and I'll need help. Where is the forklift? There is a guy near the staging area that has a zoomboom. I don't know it's rating. I will contact him.
Yes 18w, if it all will fit on 40' of deck weight won't be an issue. The forklift is currently in the vine/Hollywood area and could be used to load, its a 6k straight mast 4x4
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Ok. I could bring the forklift over on my trailer. Its rough terrain, right?

When do weight limits normally come off? My rd is it 50% now
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They should be off by the end of may if the nice weather keeps up
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Ok. I could bring the forklift over on my trailer. Its rough terrain, right?

When do weight limits normally come off? My rd is it 50% now
Yes 4x4 rough terrain

http://aws.state.ak.us/OnlinePublicN...aspx?id=172246

Looks like all State maintained paved roads in the Matanuska-Susitna area are 75%, Glenn hwy is 100% to mp54 and 85% mp55-118

at 75% I can haul 42k, but if the borough is still at 50% we may have a problem.

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vine from parks side is still 50% tried to get gravel but cant get delivered yet .
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Most of the Borough maintained roads are 50%

Unless anything has changed since I talked to the DOT the restrictions apply to ANYTHING over 10k GVW. IE a pickup and or pickup pulling a trailer if anything is rated for over 10k.

May be something to look into further.
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They should be off by the end of may if the nice weather keeps up
yeah that's the key. A little rain would help.
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Quick summary. So far Cory, Nick & Gus have said they can haul lumber up the trail.
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I had another thot on the 20'ers. Some really good ATV riders could put an end on each machine and carry'm up one at a time
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I was thinking a couple of the sills in the back of my truck and a couple of the 20 footers strapped down the passenger side
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I was thinking a couple of the sills in the back of my truck and a couple of the 20 footers strapped down the passenger side
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the 105 trailer is 9ft long plus tailgate could over hang the front 4-5 feet and have 6-7 ft off the back wouldn't be to bad
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never been up this trail is it pretty tame to the bogs ? sure something could be strapped to the Dakota or piled in the bed and roof rack.
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