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Old 01-24-2016, 05:26 PM   #1
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Looking for ideas. Been thinking a while about the next build. Well maybe not the very next, but eventually... I always say I'll do some bolt on project but it never happens that way so I have given up the idea.

It has to be something that starts out under 3000# factory curb weight. For reference a 93 toyota extended cab is about 2900. Interior has to be larger than standard PU. Extended cab would be the bare minimum but is not preferred. Think zuk or willys capacity and utility. It has to have a real frame. Axles, engine and drive train don't matter.

The end goal would be kinda SxS size. Not street legal. IFS on all four corners. Sit fairly low. Tire size 33" and fit comfortably in a toy hauler.

Tintop Zuks, Dodge Radiers and such would be nice but are a pain to find. I am beginning to think Subaru or similar 'car' like platforms could be good options.

Like I said this is way out there in the 'schedule'. I'm just curious what ideas might be floating around out there.
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Old 01-24-2016, 06:07 PM   #2
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I've seen some pretty cool stuff done with the geo/Suzuki platform. One of the little 2 door trackers would be about as small as it gets, and they have good aftermarket support. Diffs are a good size for what they are, and there are dual case options if I remember right. There's a chevy version too, cant remember the name off the top of my head.
31x15 ags and it would be unstoppable.
Didn't Grant have a thing for those?
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Early Kia Sportage was full frame vehicle, what about the older Bronco2 maybe?

What about building a competent side by side and fabricating a better utility body onto it? Like a Rino 6x6 or Gator, something that is made to handle more weight than a RZR?
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Early Kia Sportage was full frame vehicle, what about the older Bronco2 maybe?

What about building a competent side by side and fabricating a better utility body onto it? Like a Rino 6x6 or Gator, something that is made to handle more weight than a RZR?
SxS is too expensive a base to start with. I may own one someday but not till i am too old to build
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Grand vitara or suzuki x90
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AMC SX4? or x2 on the tracker.
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to fit in most toyhaulers you need to be under 10'
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Why base it on anything? Just build something from scratch that meets your needs.

It's not like you're lacking the skilz...... build a custom buggy that meets all your specs.
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Old 01-27-2016, 10:35 AM   #11
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Rolling in an x90, does pretty good on 29" tires, the trackers need less as they have plenty of trimmable sheet metal in front, drove one w/ 2" coil spacers from lowrangeoffroad, and cleared 31 swampers well...and half dozen metric wrenches and you can dismember the whole thing
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:08 PM   #12
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Why base it on anything? Just build something from scratch that meets your needs.

It's not like you're lacking the skilz...... build a custom buggy that meets all your specs.
Thanx for the vote of confidence on the skills part. Right now it seems like the whole cab fab would add years to the effort.

I have given the totally from scratch idea some thot. I've been hesitant because of the cab fabrication difficulty. I guess one criteria I didn't list is weather protection. No A/C but dry and warm went I want it. Simple things like windshield wipers can become a pretty involved effort. An existing cab has all that from the start. The compromise is building around it.

I have thot more on it after seeing Ed's new sheet metal tools. It could be used to make floor and body panels. It would be cool to make something where most of the sheet metal could be easily replaced. I haven't seen the tool for soft bends like those at the cab corners or roof lines. I am sure they exist or I could make something.
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Rolling in an x90, does pretty good on 29" tires, the trackers need less as they have plenty of trimmable sheet metal in front, drove one w/ 2" coil spacers from lowrangeoffroad, and cleared 31 swampers well...and half dozen metric wrenches and you can dismember the whole thing
The x90 was what got me thinking on this again. My neighbor has a stock tracker and I've spent some time studying it. I like them except for the heavy a$$ fiberglass back cab part.

29"-31" tires are plenty for what I am thinking. If it was made light enough then some of the big ATV/SxS tires would be options too.
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although also hard to find what about an isuzu amigo, came in both 4x2 and 4x4.
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although also hard to find what about an isuzu amigo, came in both 4x2 and 4x4.
Yeah, that's a great tip.
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Willies jeep, that way everything folds down and takes up very little space. We had one in our shop for years covered with stuff and almost nobody noticed it hiding in there.
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When I was down in Washington I saw a few pretty cool X90s running around
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The Suzuki forum on Pirate has a bunch of Zuk based side x side builds. Search "Trazor build". Biggest weak point in a trackick will be the Alu front diff. Could also swap in a complete Toyota IFS front end.
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:55 AM   #19
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2001 Tracker for Parts - $500 (Anchorage)
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The tracker is a decent little platform to build from it has a fully boxed frame, factory 4.62 or 5.12 gears for the most part, doublers do exist but you can get 4.24 gears for the tcase the aluminum front diff is a weak point as well as the ifs uses struts instead of upper a arms. The 89-97 sidekicks have a steering box with idler as well as 97-98 sport models, 99-04 have a rack and pinion. Trailtough, zuks offroad, low range offroad, trailgear, calmini and altered ego motor sports all have stuff for the trackers.
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Got an idea from somewhere to look at Subarus. Maybe it was here... Anyway the AWD powertrains look interesting. Have to make a mental note to look at wrecks when wandering around.
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Dad and I built a Subaru when I was about 12 for my first buggy. 87' gal wagon dad built a aluminum tube chassis on top of the Subaru drive train and suspension. Ran 31" mud terrains. Thing was a beast. 1800 cc carb motor with a 5 speed manual and a hi low range box. So much fun
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Yeah, a little tube frame is what I was thinking, but not that high dollar aluminum With small tires like those 31s or little terras. If it could be kept light enough I bet some of the big ATV tires might work.

Been doing a little reading trying to figure out what models & years to look for. The transaxle transmission looks pretty cool. I wonder what kind of travel they allow? Did you ever have problems breaking parts? Folks that know me know I try to stay away from the electronic controlled engines but some of this newer stuff seems to be reliable enough. Maybe find a totaled car... too much time to think these days
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Ya dad is a master mind. He stripped every bit of extra off and fit a 2 barrel webber carb on it. The thing ripped. It was all stock suspension. Welded rear diff. Let's face it, I was 12 with a Alaska version sand rail, I beat the heck out of that thing for like 5 years. Jumped driveways all the time. The only time it broke was when the rear suspension rusted out and ya after about 5 years the front CV axles finally gave out.
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A tube framed rig using the above mentioned vehicles would likely be light enough to not experience differential problems with tires under 30"

OTOH, anything can be destroyed by excessive application of the skinny pedal.

Wiper issues with flat windshields can be resolved by using early CJ electric wiper conversion kits (<$100) or similar deals for boats (probably more $$$$)

Heaters like Webasto, Stewart Warner, Mojave, South Wind or Cat cab heaters.

IRS/IFS suspension travel is limited only by your imagination and your (proven) fab skills.

I just looked at a trailer at RePetes that has independent suspension and a transverse leaf spring!!!!!. Interesting!
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