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View Poll Results: What to build next? - What would you do?
Fix engine for a good 2wd economy parts runner 1 1.64%
Swap cab onto 4Runner, flat bed, and terra tires 4 6.56%
Same as option 2, but street legal with 32" MT's 4 6.56%
Toy cab, Blazer Chassis, 35-40" Boggers 10 16.39%
Tube Chassis all out go fast rig with 350 Chevy 7 11.48%
Same as option 5 but on stock frame and super tight budget 5 8.20%
4BT, Portals, toy cab, smaller lighter version of the Freak 10 16.39%
Something simple, sell it, put coilovers on rear of Freak 15 24.59%
Other? 5 8.20%
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:21 PM   #1
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Question Toyota Pre-Runner? 4x4 Trail Rig? Low buck Moose Buggy?

I have the following parts (or have access to them depending on what I decide to do) and need to decide what to build with them.

92 Extra Cab 2wd with a broken engine
Chevy 350, th-350, 205, Dana 44, Corp 12 bolt
4Runner with trashed body but good drivetrain and engine


I have been wanting to build a go fast 2wd for quite some time, but as you all know, there are very few places to drive such a rig to its full potential, and basically none on the Kenai Peninsula where I live. So....
  1. Fix the engine and have a nice parts runner that gets pretty good MPG.
  2. Get the 4 runner, swap the pickup cab on it, build a flat bed, and buy some 31" terra tires for a nice light and simple moose buggy.
  3. Get the 4 runner, swap the cab, build a nice 4x4 street legal light wheeler with some 32" MT's.
  4. Forget about the 4 runner, put the toy cab on a blazer chassis with the 350/350/205 combo. Buy some 35 to 40" boggers, build some bumpers, get a winch, weld the diffs, and go wheeling
  5. Forget about stock frames, build a tube chassis, buy some fiberglass body panels and build an all out go fast truck with a 350, 2wd auto, 9" ford. 4 link rear, custom akfabshop long travel front suspension, coilovers and bypass shocks all around.
  6. Do option 5, but on a super tight budget. No bling shocks, no fancy steering, just stock stuff you can get at the local parts store.
  7. Buy a 4bt, some unimog or volvo portals, and build a smaller toyota cab, cummins diesel version of the Freak.
  8. Build something simple, sell it, and put the money into coilovers for the back of the Freak.
  9. Other?
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: Toyota Pre-Runner? 4x4 Trail Rig? Low buck Moose Buggy?

Light and cheap is good! Ill post some pictures of my latest acquisition. 85 soild axel frame and a 90 ext cab body.

I vote other. I know you could build one bad *** prerunner. Do it!
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i have always wanted a v-8 long travel toyta, it would be sick!!!!
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:18 PM   #4
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v-8 powered yota is where its at ! lol cousre im biased !
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you buy dougs trailer?
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Light and cheap is good! Ill post some pictures of my latest acquisition. 85 soild axel frame and a 90 ext cab body.

I vote other. I know you could build one bad *** prerunner. Do it!

Pre-runner = 4x4?
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:40 AM   #7
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build a snow machine with tracks. You already have a wheeler. That would be cool and usefull all winter.
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Pre-runner = 4x4?
Mine is. Up here it doesn’t make much sense not to have 4wd. With that said my race truck will be 2wd...

Relatively cheap build is to run the Total Chaos Get 1 kit. Uses stock torsion bars and t100 axel shafts. You could probably build you own arms if you really wanted but TC stuff is pretty nice and would save the guess work.


What year 4runner frame do you have?

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Pre-runner = 4x4?
a nice long travel 4x4 prerunner would kick ***!!!!

you could make most trails with it i bet if you hit the holes doing 35 or 40 and skim across the top!!!
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diesel mog buggy - sounds like a Russia 4x4 competitor

Seriously - something to think about with fuel costing what it does is how much you spend in cash running the trails, not to mention the improvement in range a diesel gets you. When I ran Purches with Bill, I used 7 gallons driving from Wasilla, to Willow, to Purches (35 miles of trail riding on my GPS), on up over Hatchers Pass, back to home again. I don't know Bill's total consumption, but he added 15 gallons to the Bronco-Buggy tank part way thru Purches. Back then, that was like $15 bucks for me - now it would be $35 - while the cost for just the 15 gallons for Hillbilly is over $60, likely the total expenses would clear $100. Diesels have a big advantage idling along - their air/fuel gets to drop to close to 100:1, and no throttle plate so much reduced pumping losses. THey can make great power, especially for short periods of time, as all you dragster diesel guys know.
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Mine is. Up here it doesn’t make much sense not to have 4wd. With that said my race truck will be 2wd...

Relatively cheap build is to run the Total Chaos Get 1 kit. Uses stock torsion bars and t100 axel shafts. You could probably build you own arms if you really wanted but TC stuff is pretty nice and would save the guess work.


What year 4runner frame do you have?

http://www.Chaosfab.com
How much does a kit like that cost? I am kinda leaning toward a budget custom build, but if the prices are right I'll just buy the kit to save time and keep my garage open for other projects this winter.

Also... how much faster will a 2wd be VS. a 4x4 given similar rear suspensions and shocks?
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I would love to build a diesel mog'd toy, but it would take me many years to complete for budgetary reasons. I dont have the shop space to pull that off at this point.

I have a need for speed. If I build a go fast truck, I really want it to be scary fast. The mostly stock 350 would be the bottle neck for now, and possibly the lack of bypass shocks, but those can be upgraded later.

The problem is that for the money I'd invest in a go fast truck, I could make my sled exponentially faster. Maybe the thing to do is build a 4x4 budget pre-runner style rig. Some coilovers in the front, dual shocks and cherokee springs in the rear, and the engine/drivetrain out of the blazer might be the way to go. Save the crazy high dollar build for later in life after I have built a new shop.
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you buy dougs trailer?

No, Doug just towed the thing home for me.
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for full caddy kit brook will cost about 3200 with the upper and lower arms and uni ball joints and would still need the conversion axle shafts (to retain 4wd )and coil overs ..

im a dealer with total choas here in alaska ..

they are awsome small shop with great customer service .. but its very pricey .
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Budget truck:

Gen 1 kit, stock ball joints top and bottem.
2.5 smooth bodys (2.0 over heat WAY to quick as we have learned)
Caddy idler arm
2.0 air bumps
Chevy springs in the rear with 2.5s

Killer setup.

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How much does a kit like that cost? I am kinda leaning toward a budget custom build, but if the prices are right I'll just buy the kit to save time and keep my garage open for other projects this winter.

Also... how much faster will a 2wd be VS. a 4x4 given similar rear suspensions and shocks?

We found out that our trucks are faster in the bumps in 4wd than 2wd. I think this is mainly due to us using leafs in the back and no matter what still skip some of the bumps.
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Gen1 kit when Dan put it on last winter.

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The trailer is still for sale.
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for full caddy kit brook will cost about 3200 with the upper and lower arms and uni ball joints and would still need the conversion axle shafts (to retain 4wd )and coil overs ..

im a dealer with total choas here in alaska ..

they are awsome small shop with great customer service .. but its very pricey .
This truck is 2wd, is the price similar?
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2 wd and 4wd ifs on the yotas are very similair other than location on shock tabs to clear cv shafts , so yes price is very close .. stay away from the torsion bar set ups they are junk and ride like a turd ..

after seeing your skills for so many years , no reason you cant make it .. i i love the skill and fab work thats needed on those trucks .. som times just the science of it .. i think is sexy as hell lol .

it would add a another dimention to your skillz ..
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I voted for option #8.

I currently own an '82 CJ, an '87 YJ, an '89 XJ, a '68 M715, and an '85 K5. In addition to these rigs in their entirety, I had 2 sets of Rockwell axles, a 454/TH400/205, an extra D44 w/flat top knuckles, a Holley FI kit, two sets of Ag tires (on wheels).......

I had these big plans for each to be built for their own specific purpose. I scored a '90 Chevy K10 with 70k miles for $100. I bought it for an injected 350 for the XJ, and was gonna scrap the rest. The XJ already runs!


Reality check! I'm not Bill gates. Money doesn't fall out of my hard drive when I hit "Enter". I put $100 more dollars into the K10 and sold it for $2500. The XJ will be for sale within the next two weeks. The M715 is already for sale (as much as it pains me to part with!). The K5 is for sale.

The YJ will get built this winter with some parts from the CJ, and the rest will be financed through the sale of the others (the sale of the K10 has already financed the full hydro and the air bumps for the YJ). The rest of the CJ will be parted out after it's all said and done.


Basically, I came to a point where I had to ask myself, "when is enough , enough?" The YJ will get built because it has a solid body and frame. The CJ will go away because it has neither. If it did, the YJ would go instead. I'm keeping the choice stuff to put together one kick *** rig, and the rest will finance it. Hopefully, there will even be some cash left over to pay down some bills afterward. Priorities are what they are, and I've finaly come to terms with the fact that I've been putting "want" in one hand, and "****" in the other for quite awhile. All I've got right now, is that both hands are full of ****.

You know what got me to this point? Boredom with the old faithful CJ. The desire for something new and different. Next thing I know, I own 9 vehicles, they're parked all over the place since I don't have room to keep them here at the house, and most of them are FAR from running. Hell, I've even been fighting the urge to get back into drag racing!

Again, Reality Check! The old tub has served me quite well. It's done everything I've asked of it. It's been a hunter, a fisher, a log skidder, a recovery vehicle, a tractor, a pure toy.......... I can't complain. So, I'll be running a new one come spring, bigger and better, but only because this one's useful life is over. Everything else MUST go!

I guess what I'm trying to tell you is to think long and hard about what you WANT, and what you NEED, and how each relates to what you CAN DO. Don't get caught up with a huge case of the "wants" like I did, and end up frustrated and ready to set it all on fire and take up needle point.



Btw, what are you guys doing on Saturday the 27th? We'll be in town.
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2 wd and 4wd ifs on the yotas are very similair other than location on shock tabs to clear cv shafts , so yes price is very close .. stay away from the torsion bar set ups they are junk and ride like a turd ..

after seeing your skills for so many years , no reason you cant make it .. i i love the skill and fab work thats needed on those trucks .. som times just the science of it .. i think is sexy as hell lol .

it would add a another dimention to your skillz ..
Have you ever riden in a Gen 1 equiped truck that has the RIGHT shocks?

No 2wd and 4wd frames are not the same. They are completly different.

Sorry to call you out Fix it but they're not.

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Have you ever riden in a Gen 1 equiped truck that has the RIGHT shocks?

No 2wd and 4wd frames are not the same. They are completly different.

Sorry to call you out Fix it but they're not.
im not talking about the frames im talking about the a-arms ...


this is for using a 4wd rig into a 2wd im not talking of a 2wd frame
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