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Old 03-30-2009, 10:00 AM   #1
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Now that GM is under control of the United Socialist's of America is anyone still interested in supporting GM? Does anyone want to drive a new truck helping to pave the way to communism? If Chrysler becomes "partners" with Fiat will you still have pride driving an Italian Ram?

When Obama fired the CEO of GM he stepped over the line (again). I can say I will never buy another GM product as long as it is under control of the US government.

How do you feel about this?

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Old 03-30-2009, 10:45 AM   #2
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Way to sensationalize it.

Gov pretty much said that if they want aid, they need to prove that they can make some changes so that they can "... ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state.

I don't completely agree with all actions being taken, but you can't ask for money and not expect to meet some demands.

Queue the paranoid people saying that the gov is never going to relinquish control and thats its all a big ploy to make trucks illegal. Close enough?

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Old 03-30-2009, 10:50 AM   #3
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It's a brave new world. Sure hope people start to see this soon before it gets way out of hand. But I know they won't.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:08 AM   #4
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I agree and disagree with what happend.

GM was asking for even more money, and have received much more money than any other automaker. Ford still hasn't taken a dime, have they? Just asking for money in reserve "just in case" still?

they apparently haven't got their sh#% straight, so something did need to be done.

as for the government taking over; I don't like that. Let them have some (or a lot?) of oversight, would be okay in my book, as long as it wasn't under their control.

guess we'll just hafta see how things pan out.

but it was interesting to hear that Toyota asked for money from the Japanese government... so atleast that does show that it is definitely affecting other countries.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:42 AM   #5
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man i hope toyota goes down!
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:50 AM   #6
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So...in 3 months the President of the Socialist States of America has become the power hand in 25% of us Banking and 33% of the big 3 automakers and 100% of the insurer who is the final say in distribution of large corporate dollars and 25% corporate bonding (AIG).

...and still the neo-marxist's see no worry for concern (they fit by signatures' bottom line)
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I will be contributing a hefty sum to the stimulus for things that I will never see a return on DAM TAXES
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Old 03-30-2009, 01:12 PM   #8
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they (GM) apparently haven't got their sh#% straight, so something did need to be done.

The liberal media has been forcing that line on us with such frequency even conservative people are believing it. This is an example of why we should not watch CNN, NBC, CBS, or any other left wing freak show news company. They should be going out of business NOT our brothers and sisters that build the wheels of freedom.

GM gave us what we WANTED, big powerful SUV'S and trucks with backbone. America was gobbling it all up in 1999 when I bought my 2500 4x4, no one gave them crap then! GM gave the labor union what it wanted with contracts that exceeded the Asian auto makers, the AAW were well paid and took pride in their product. GM did not cause the problem, the US government did with it socialist policy's dating back 60 or more years ago. The straw that broke our back was the housing bubble, which originated in the Clinton years when he wanted every American to own their own house.

Don't think I'm giving Bush a free ride, he screwed us also, don't get me started with the huge amount of our money that went to Africa in government aid just so Bush could look good for all the hollywood elite . I have been to Africa, 2 billion dollars later and it is in worse shape! All our money is now in private accounts in one of the most morally bankrupt contents on the earth. The American tax payer shoulders the weight of the world.... again.

But getting back to the American auto makers, Ford has not taken any tax payers money that I know of. My question is if you were a bow tie guy or a Dodge Boy will you still be supporting them? Do you care at all?

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Goverenment running American companys, thought I would never see that in the Great Ole USA..It is here and if the US keeps doing this some crazy things are gonna be happening..

Protect your family and get ready for A RIDE

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Old 03-30-2009, 01:23 PM   #10
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Goverenment running American companys, thought I would never see that in the Great Ole USA..It is here and if the US keeps doing this some crazy things are gonna be happening..

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Way to sensationalize it.

Gov pretty much said that if they want aid, they need to prove that they can make some changes so that they can "... ultimately stand on their own, not as wards of the state.

I don't completely agree with all actions being taken, but you can't ask for money and not expect to meet some demands.
Since I can't post pictures will someone please insert a photo of hitler under this statement? Ian?

Queue the paranoid people saying that the gov is never going to relinquish control and thats its all a big ploy to make trucks illegal. Close enough?
History has proven you wrong brother, when government takes control the only thing that can set it free is the blood of free men.
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The liberal media has been forcing that line on us with such frequency even conservative people are believing it. This is an example of why we should not watch CNN, NBC, CBS, or any other left wing freak show news company. They should be going out of business NOT our brothers and sisters that build the wheels of freedom.
while I do agree with this, I honestly don't think GM going out of business would be good for the economy.

granted, the economy has already tanked.... but with such a large employer, it would be even worse, with all those people losing their jobs, and then filing for unemployment.

Atleast they're working. Yes, the country will basically be paying their wages either way, but atleast they won't be unemployment-benefiting losers.
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Old 03-30-2009, 01:55 PM   #13
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Default Re: Government taking over GM

how is it not the same?


If GM went bankrupt, the market could correct itself.

by propping up a failed company, the government is making it harded for the market to self-correct.
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"I don't completely agree with all actions being taken, but you can't ask for money and not expect to meet some demands.
Since I can't post pictures will someone please insert a photo of hitler under this statement? Ian?"

You make no sense.

All that was meant was that you can't go into a bank or credit union looking for a loan and not expect to meet some demands to get it. You want the gov to just hand out free money? GM doesn't want to go under, so they asked for the cash to make it for a little longer. The gov wants its money back eventually so they're ensuring that they get it by telling GM that they need to make changes so they make money. GM wants the money, they gotta put their tale between their legs to get it. In my opinion, holding the company responsible for future actions is a good idea.
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is this "chapter 11"?
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is this "chapter 11"?
Nope, this is Soviet Russia.
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I am paying taxes to support a brand that I have never supported.
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"I don't completely agree with all actions being taken, but you can't ask for money and not expect to meet some demands.
Since I can't post pictures will someone please insert a photo of hitler under this statement? Ian?"

You make no sense.

All that was meant was that you can't go into a bank or credit union looking for a loan and not expect to meet some demands to get it. You want the gov to just hand out free money? GM doesn't want to go under, so they asked for the cash to make it for a little longer. The gov wants its money back eventually so they're ensuring that they get it by telling GM that they need to make changes so they make money. GM wants the money, they gotta put their tale between their legs to get it. In my opinion, holding the company responsible for future actions is a good idea.



How much oversight is going on with the Financial institutes ??
look at AIG they gave them all this **** money with virtually no strings??

at least GM and Chrysler build a product and actually employ blue collor workers instead of F*ucking them like wall street does

I agree that ALL parties should be held responsible, LIKE AIG exec's going to prison


I might feel better about all this bailout crap if there were not so much cloak and dagger bull sh!t and LIES from both Rep, and Dem's
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I don't completely agree with all actions being taken, but you can't ask for money and not expect to meet some demands.
IMO that's beside the point. The money should never have been given. GM should of had a slow controlled bankruptcy, even if that did require a couple months worth of bailout to make sure things were handled properly. NOBODY is too big too fail.

We'll always need automobiles. If GM goes down then a new car company will spring up, Ford (or whoever) will have more business and need more employees. Those people who worked for GM and would get laid off can now apply for a new company, Ford, etc. which is picking up the new business of people who used to buy GM vehicles. Government control is very rarely a good answer IMO.
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All that was meant was that you can't go into a bank or credit union looking for a loan and not expect to meet some demands to get it. You want the gov to just hand out free money? GM doesn't want to go under, so they asked for the cash to make it for a little longer.
Since when does WANT have anything to do with it. I don't WANT to pay taxes or have a job but that's life. If they can't pay the bills then they should go bankrupt... period. Another company which is better run will pop up and replace them because they need for vehicles isn't going away any time soon.
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Old 03-30-2009, 04:23 PM   #24
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Sure I'd by a new GM, if I had a job. Maybe I should blame Obama for that too

Instead I'm gonna by GM stock. Looks like a good price, I can "invest" in america and maybe make some money at the same time.

The Big 3 never had the guts to take on the UAW. Rather than watch the demise of the American auto industry maybe the govt can kick it in the the a$$ and force consessions in the insane wage & benefits programs.

Stepping back in time alittle, it was September 2008 when the bill that included the auto industry bailout was signed. And the terms were negotiated in 2008, again BO (before Obama). Looking back just a little further, the airline bailout. Imagine if they had been left to fail. Even with the very best paying jobs we would be hard pressed to afford food here in Alaska. Remember when a ticket to Seattle was over $1000? Keep scrolling back, the savings and loan bailout, lockeed martin, railroads, ... read about the last 30 years yourself http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts

Yes the attitudes began roughly 70 years ago. The memories and lessons of the great depression are not easily forgotten by those that lived it. We haven't even come close to its shock on America and the world. I believe, in part, as the result of governement intervention. Is intervening the right thing to do? Who knows. I do know this. I don't ever want to experience what my parents and grandparents went thru during the depression.

You speek so freely about the blood of free men but you've got no taste for what it will be like with millions of Americans living in poverty. Take up arms. Then you will come to understand what it is to be called an insurgent in your own country. You say you've been to Africa. Maybe you missed the hordes living meal to meal. We could have that too.

Were the bailouts the right thing to do? Ease the trasnsition? Or should they let the industries and systems free fall to destruction? There are a whole lot of people way smarter than me working on it. If I don't like the results of their strategy, in a couple years I'll work to get someone else elected.
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I don't ever want to experience what my parents and grandparents went thru during the depression.

You speek so freely about the blood of free men but you've got no taste for what it will be like with millions of Americans living in poverty. Take up arms. Then you will come to understand what it is to be called an insurgent in your own country. You say you've been to Africa. Maybe you missed the hordes living meal to meal. We could have that too.
I am a$$uming Strat did not miss the "hordes" of starving people since I fairly certain he was there on some kind of humanitarian mission with the Marines. I'm doubting he decided to take a nice relaxing vacation to Africa.

I think a short term (relatively speaking) depression could be exactly what we need. I'm serious, a period where most people are dirt poor. Remind us what's important. I'd rather have a temporary depression or civil unrest than a permanent lifestyle change for our country by giving up all our freedoms and letting the government have complete control of the reins. Once that happens we will not get it back. Think how many "temporary" government policies and programs have become permanent. Once they get power why would they give it back? They won't.
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