Bellview Tech, the 8274's daddy

[Logjam]

So I got a "winch" from gus. It came to me in 4 boxes. A friend of his gave it to him for some reason, but it came with some assembley required.

I the story goes like this. Bellview makes a winch, 6000lbs rated. Warn buys Bellview and then renames it the Warn Bellview and prorates it to 8000lbs.

There is no remote on this guy... All the winch controlls are cable actuated like a lawn mower or snow blower.



It looks a lot like a warn 8274 except has more external beef and a more 70s look to it. None of these things have been made since 1974, and this one looks nearly new.

I found a parts explosion view which helped a little.

So here is the pile of parts minus two of the motors. I got three motors with it, which was a mixed blessing...



The first thing I tried to do was eliminate motor parts from the winch parts. This goes in the back of the motor and is used to keep the motor from spooling out. Its kind of like a brake that allows cable in but now cable out. The Bellview has no power out...stock...hehehe

There is a spring, two blocks that look like giant keyways, a sleeve, the sprag thing, and a little pin.



It made me fell good to eliminate those parts because I wasn't finding anywhere else for them. The parts diagram is only good for confirming parts placement. Its really hard to read. I had to guess about some things.

So I stuck the drum in it.

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Next I installed the three nylon drum bushings. I was surprized they weren't bronze, but I guess nylon reduces carnage. These sub 1k winches aren't that "high quality" anyway.



The motor side drum bushings get lubed from oil splash, the other side is lubed from a zerk fitting in the very end (see the hole where the grease comes out).



Now I will be switching from captions above the pictures to captions below.



The highest speed bearing at the motor is lubed and sealed, the second highest uses nice ball bearings, the second highest uses roller bearings, and the slowest uses those bushings.



That large gear is the main drum gear. The small gear on the dual gear thing I'm holding drives the drum gear. You know how gears work...look at the picture.



When I was installing the 1st reduction stage I didn't use one of the "parts". I'm lucky I could get the little bearing back out so easily! I was wondering why there was .25" of .5" gas pipe nicely cut in the box. A closer look at the parts diagram and parts list shows a bushing/spacer. Without the little piece of gas pipe in the hole the gears wouldn't engage correctly.

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So here is the brake side of the "box". The motor shaft drives the large gear on the top. The small gear right next to that big one has a little shift fork on it. This is the "engage" lever. Its just like in transfer cases.

When its shoved all the way into the other gear it will drive the large middle one, and the small middle one then drives the big drum gear.



This is what it looks like with the motor engaged.



So I'm ready to put them together...



The motor hole...

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Motor hole with the sealed bearing.



Here is a motor slow down in reverse thing pinned to the end shaft of the motor. Thats what is in the funny looking cap on these motors.



I'm testing the winch with my battery tester. The case hasn't even been bolted together yet.

At first nothing happened, but then the winch started moving and got faster and faster. Then some smoke came out, but it kept on going. These motors are 30 years old and in very very poor shape. So I attempt to make one good one...



Here is all the motor junk that came with the winch.



One motor didn't turn, but it let out a few sparks. When I opened it up (which isn't as easy as it sounds due to the motor slow down chunk) I found winding insulation in there, but not on the windings anymore.



Then I pulled out the brush assembley. It was discolored and warped. Heat probably had a lot to do with this.

[Logjam]

The best looking motor had very poor brushes. Some of them didn't even slide in their holders anymore. Basically all 3 motors were junk except for the armatures (the middle spinning thing), and even with those there was 1 good one and two marginal ones.



So I got out a brand new 8000lb Ramsey Winch replacement motor. It looks very similar, except for the armature, front and rear caps. The old moldy motor is on top and the new motor with the back cover removed is on the bottom.



The casing IDs and casing length were the same, so I went for it. I had to remove two allignment pins from the new casing that the old warn didn't have.



The new ramsey motor armature is in the middle, the best warn is on the top, and the worst warn is bottom. I think the bottom one was mounted to the winch when it was turned upside down, because its got oil allover it.



I shined up the commutator (the copper metal bars that the brushes rub on). The other two armatures had rusty gears or oil all over them.

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The old armature fits pretty good. This is the back of the motor. The long end shaft is for that reverse brake.



Here is the new motor mounted on the winch. Not only is it new, but it is reversable and the stock one wasn't. So its basically a funny looking 8274 at this point.

And if it wasn't obvious, the winch works fine now. Except for one thing. The drum, or its shaft is out of round. Hopefully I can fix that. Running the winch as is it walks around.

Due to the reversable motor, I didn't put that reverse brake inside the cap on the end of the motor. That would have been counter productive.



I have one of these nice remotes from surpluscenter. It will make a good winch remote. I just have to change "Up" and "Down" to in and out.

Wish me luck on straightening this drum shaft!!!

[Guido]

This is one of the best 'Tech' articles I have ever read. Thank you Grant

[HeavyMetal]

Good STUFFF...

[1wook]

Cool, I'm pretty sure I have the same winch setting in the shed, I'll have to look at it and see. Really good to know about the ramsey rotor for power out. Does it have a band brake on the outside?

[ODDBALL]

Well done Grant! Good info & clear pics.

[Logjam]

It has the band brake, but I'm missing the keyway to hook the band drum on. I didn't swap in a ramsey rotor. I had to use the Warn rotor because it has the gear built into the shaft. I took a new motor, took off the front/back caps, took out the rotor, put the old warn rotor into it, and then the warn end cap. It cost $80 for the new motor.

[1wook]

Stator, not rotor that's what I meant, electricalsmectical. It apperars that the warn rotor shaft is a slightly larger diameter. Just thinking I could spline the ramsey shaft.

[Logjam]

I'm 99.9999999999999999% sure its not big enough to spline. I can check though. The pilot bearing that goes in the winch would need to be changed for sure.

Does your winch have a fried armature? You might be able to figure out the pitch of the gear and buy one with a keyway to fit on the ramsey shaft. Then just get a new pilot bearing and be done.

The easiest dammaged item in the winch are the field coils, so I think my rotor will last a long time. Even my old moldy armatures are fine, they just have rusty gear teeth. Rusty gear teeth aren't the most desireable thing in the world.

[1wook]

It might be fried now, I hooked jumper cable up to it when I got it and it worked, but that was 5 years ago!

[NewbieFJ60]

Grant ,
i can get a bellivue cheap i think like 100 bucks , can you duplicate that ?

[Logjam]

yes.

[mousee]

I used to have one of these! wish I stil had it now...

[bigun]

I saw one of these on E-bay a while back nobody bid on it. I think his opening was abit high some where in the 200 to 300 range

Just went and looked here is one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...37342 92&rd=1

[bigun]

I talked to My cousin who works for Warn he told me that they do not make parts for these anymore, and the old stock is long gone.

[Macstoy]

So you say you can duplicat it how hard of a job is it. I only have one motor but I am pretty stoked about how you made it run with the remote in and out
Do you have any specific tips or tricks that you learned that you would do differently?

[Fix-It]

i have the same bellview on my 67 scout ..it was a dealer option and still works great ..

[Macstoy]

Well I got mine completely apart and the armature didn't look to bad but I am having a hard time finding the part # of the ramsey motor that you used to make it reversable. any help let me know